Arizona Grand Jury Indicts Donald Trump Allies, 11 Fake Electors

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  1. Bluesguy

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    They were not "fake" no one tried to sneak them in a replace them without anyone knowing. They were alternates because the Constitution requires votes be recorded by a certain date.

    What would have happen had that date passed and Trump by some miracle won a challenge in court and they had not recorded those alternate votes?
     
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    They were false electors. Nobody lawfully selected them. And some of them have and are being charged. BECAUSE THEY ARE FAKE.
     
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    No every court in the country has not even held a trial on it.

    Again what would have happened had Trump by some miracle won a challenge AFTER the required date the votes been recorded and the alternates had not recorded theirs? Does the Constitution and statutory law *ever* intrude into the equation for you? You do realize these were not the first ever alternate electors.

    Tell me how Trump was going to fake everyone out and have his electors sneak their votes in without anyone knowing?
     
  4. Bluesguy

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    And had Pence LEGALLY and CONSTITUTIONALLY accepted the challenges and the Congress voted to accept them what would have happened to AZ's electoral votes had the alternates not have recorded their votes before the date required by the Constitution? What would have happened had Trump won a court decision the day after the EC cast their votes?
     
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    They were alternates IN CASE A COURT OR THE CONGRESS ruled in Trump's favor. What would have happened had they and the alternates had not recorded their votes?

    Again how was this faking out supposed to work so no one would know they weren't the real electors?
     
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    What if the courts had agreed there was fraud and Trump won a challenge. What would have happened to AZ EC votes?
     
  7. Bluesguy

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    Correct they were alternates in case SOMEONE DID lawfully select them.
     
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    Who selected the fake electors?
     
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    The state legislature would not have been able to do anything since the date the votes had to be cast would have passed, without the alternates having already recorded their votes...........

    In Florida 2000 the state legislature almost came to the point of having to appoint a slate because Gore would not give up his challenges and unconstitutional selective hand recounts and that safeharbor date was approaching.
     
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    So, they were falsely selected by fake “officials” who had no authority to do so in the hope that they later became selected?

    They sound fake.
     
  11. Nwolfe35

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    They most certainly did try to "sneak them in"
    The fake electors in Georgia met IN SECRET in the GA state capitol since the laws of GA requires that the electors meet in the capitol.

    And NO, the Constitution does not require that the votes be recorded by a certain date. The Constitution merely states that the "shall meet in their respective states". Laws later set forth the actual dates. Furthermore even if a state authorizes a second slate of electors AFTER the "safe harbor" date there is nothing preventing those electors being recognized by Congress.
     
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    You mean the alternates, the state party, they were the ones who were on the ballot.
     
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    Can I name myself President. On the off off off chance that I can be named President later on? Just in case!
     
  14. Bluesguy

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    Ahhh the party choose who will run as the electors for the party. They have every authority to do so. Had a court ruled in Trumps favor it would have had the authority to do so.

    Again if they were fake then how were they going to fool you into thinking they were the ones for Biden?
     
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    What WOULD have happened had a meteor hit The Capitol?
    What WOULD have happened had Martians landed?
    Playing that game all day changes nothing...:bored:
    Conclusion: The AZ Grand Jury made the correct decision...:flagus:
     
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    No the Electoral College has to select you. If you want to call yourself the alternate and then go to court and try to win your case feel free I could care less.
     
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    Is there a meteor heading towards the Capitol? Could a meteor hit the Capitol or impossible?

    Are there Martians out there heading our way? Could aliens land on Earth or impossible?

    There were challenges pending, so tell me if by, as I clearly stated, some miracle he had won in court what would have happened to AZ's EC votes without the alternates having recorded theirs?
     
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    "The Congress may determine the Time of chusing the Electors, and the Day on which they shall give their Votes; which Day shall be the same throughout the United States."
     
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    They were alternates in case someone DID NEED to lawfully select them and the ONLY way their votes would have ever counted.

    "Five of the 19 defendants indicted by Fulton County District Attorney Fani Willis are alleged to have been involved in the so-called fake elector scheme, in which alternate electors pledged to support Donald Trump cast ballots on December 14, 2020—the date on which electors across the country had to show up at their respective state capitols to cast their ballots—in six states, including Georgia, in which Joe Biden had been declared the winner. But rather than being fake electors, per Willis, these five considered themselves to be contingent electors—they thought they were casting ballots for Donald Trump to preserve the effectiveness of such a vote should Trump prevail in his legal challenges to the conduct of the election."
    https://www.heritage.org/crime-and-...-scheme-what-does-legal-and-political-history
     
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    The real electors, or the fake ones selected by Bozo the clown, or Homer Simpson or whoever?
     
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    I have a policy: I substantiate anything on request, just ask. What I don't do is tell others to do my homework.
     
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    can you substantiate your claims that universal background checks will decrease criminals getting guns or that "glock switches" make those handguns "more lethal"?

    I will be waiting because I know the answers to both
     
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    If they thought that then they would have included language on the certificates like they did in MI and PA
    They did not. They signed a certificate that said they were the “duly elected and qualified” electors.

    If it were OK to do this “in case they were needed” then there would be people filling out certificates like this in EVERY election
     
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    Yes it will
     
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    UBCs, the evidence is limited, but there is some evidence. Dems just think it, like driver's licenses, are a good idea.

    https://www.thetrace.org/2019/01/universal-background-checks-reduce-gun-violence-research/

    https://journalistsresource.org/politics-and-government/background-checks-gun-violence-research/

    Glock switches:

    https://news.yahoo.com/know-glock-switches-devices-handguns-031521071.html

    https://apnews.com/article/machine-...gun-violence-ddc2e9b6602ee1eb62e75732bbd54784

    From the above link, what's your response to:

    “The thing is shaking as it’s firing, so we wind up getting multiple victims, people hit in extremities during the same shooting incident, because the person cannot control the weapon,” O’Hara said.

    ?
     

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