Does the cost of the war in Ukraine exceed the benefits?

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Does the cost of the Ukraine war exceed the benefits?

  1. No, because it's a war for FREEDOM

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  2. Yes

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  1. fmw

    fmw Well-Known Member

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    I don't know. But I do know that we lost in Afghanistan as well.
     
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    By expanding the money supply. It is how they pay for spending, including that in Ukraine, now.
     
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    Of course it is and has been since Putin started massing his troops on Ukraine's border.
    It's ridiculous to think that the U.S. government hasn't been a major contributor to our success. Of course the many different nationalities that make up our nation was and is a big factor. And, the abundant natural resources, expansive coast lines and water ways all are part of our greatness.

    But as one person pointed out; "before government BY the People" and the freedom to succeed without interference because government is FROM the people ... Julius Caesar rode to his coronation horse back as did George Washington, all the worlds major advancements have come since Government By The People came to be.
    China is over extended, it's population is imploding, it has no natural resources or good farmland, and it's military is based on failed Russian tech. China is done; stick a fork in it.
     
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    As you already point out province change hands all the time why should the cut off date be 2014. The people actually living in the Ukraine are actually ethnically Russians they speak Russian their parents and Grand parents are Russian. Pretending other wise is stupid risking a nuclear war with and increasingly desperate Russia over a fiction created by Joe Stalin of all people is insane.
    Does not make it better. In fact there is even less reason.
     
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    Which in the end creates runaway inflation.
     
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    Fetterman is my favorite Democrat.
     
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    It sure justifies a LOT of US taxpayer money to arms contractors, though.
     
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    Newt was great, but he promptly started humping his chief of staff and then went after Clinton on a sex scandal, what did he expect?

    We have a real problem with electing folks that don't actually represent us. As you point out, they might as well be Democrats.

    I don't have a solution, but it looks to me like caving becomes a habit. Once you cave to retain power, you keep caving to retain power.

    Democrats don't cave,
    They spend less time in power in the House, but they get far more done while they have power, than we do.

    I think we need to consider stopping caving.
     
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    Letting Russia practice taking out Abrams tanks may have not been a great plan.

    Ukraine Withdraws Abrams Tanks From Frontlines After Russian Drone Attacks
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    Moscow's round-the-clock surveillance & air strikes makes the Abrams "too difficult… to operate without detection or coming under attack."

    'Kiev has lost several of the tanks since their deployment in February.'

    Now our Defense Contractors will demand US funding to build a new tank system.
     
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    Exhibit number one
     
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    Man you guys really love lowering wage rates. You'll even break the law to do it.
     
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    The do keep it under control by having the 2% acceptable level. That's 2% all the time year after year. It isn't acceptable to me but I don't have debt like the Federal Government.
     
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    So we disagree. NATO is observing and funding a war, not fighting one. The government helps when it leaves the people alone and allows them the freedom to do well what they do. I think they barely do that and come close to doing the opposite. China is overextended but not a failed state. Same with the U.S.
     
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    We'll likely have to wait until after the war to get any sort of accurate causality count. Right now the figures from both sides are likely propaganda. But it's Ukraine that is straining for troops far more than Russia. Russia simply has a much bigger population to draw from, and millions of their population didn't flee the country when the war started. The death toll from this war will massively effect both countries, but Ukraine is the one that's going to be hardest hit.
     
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    France is preparing to help. Other Western Nations will join if necessary; Putin WILL loose.
    That's a nice platitude, and should be true. But the wealthy have it rigged in their favor.
    Think tanks like "The Heritage Foundation" have working class Americans at each others throats, while the rich that funds it enjoy all the perks and pay little back into the system that made them wealthy.
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    IF the world survives the the next 10 years China will barely exist.
     
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    And they haven't managed to get under three Bidens entire presidency, And that inflation is starting to kill the economy to the tune a 1.6 growth rate last quarter a little more than half what was expected and likely to get a correction that takes it under one if past history is any indicator.
     
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    Thank the voters. If the voters wanted fiscal responsibility in government they could have it.
     
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    They don't need to expand the money supply to give less than less than 1/10 of 1% of our GDP to help the Ukraine.
     
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    Slowing inflation by raising interest rates is limiting growth. Inflation in 2020 was caused by government counteracting reduced supply. IMO, Biden and Trump gave away too much money and should have done productivity enhancing infrastructure instead.
     
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    You don't need the government to do that. You cut rules and regulation that cripple businesses and quit trying to idiot proof the known universe and production will take care of itself. Side note tell the damn lawyers if your client whacks off his leg trying to use a lawn mower for a hedge trimmer it isn't the lawn mower manufacturers fault.
     
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    You're wrong. Government has an important role in financing and/or building infrastructure.
     
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    Yet we made more gains in the first hundred years without than in the hundred years since.
     
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    They do in Communist/Socialist countries.
     
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    ~ The U.S. war machine and political money laundry must continue ...
     
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    They have to expand the money supply to make payroll.
     

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