The Loch Ness Monster and Creationism

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  1. Serfin' USA

    Serfin' USA Well-Known Member

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    http://www.scotsman.com/the-scotsma...ution-is-myth-1-2373903#.T-h2jxfbGVo.facebook

    THOUSANDS of American school pupils are to be taught that the Loch Ness monster is real – in an attempt by religious teachers to disprove Charles Darwin’s theory of evolution.

    Pupils attending privately-run Christian schools in the southern state of Louisiana will learn from textbooks next year, which claim Scotland’s most famous mythological beast is a living creature.

    Thousands of children are to receive publicly-funded vouchers enabling them to attend the schools – which follow a strict fundamentalist curriculum.

    The Accelerated Christian Education (ACE) programme teaches controversial religious beliefs, aimed at disproving evolution and proving creationism.

    Youngsters will be told that if it can be proved that dinosaurs walked the earth at the same time as man, then Darwinism is fatally flawed.

    Critics have slammed the content of the religious course books, labelling them “bizarre” and accusing them of promoting radical religious and political ideas.

    One ACE textbook called Biology 1099, Accelerated Christian Education Inc reads: “Are dinosaurs alive today? Scientists are becoming more convinced of their existence.

    “Have you heard of the Loch Ness Monster in Scotland? ‘Nessie’ for short has been recorded on sonar from a small submarine, described by eyewitnesses, and photographed by others. Nessie appears to be a plesiosaur.”

    Another claim taught is that a Japanese whaling boat once caught a dinosaur.

    One former pupil, Jonny Scaramanga, 27, who went through the ACE programme as a child, but now campaigns against Christian fundamentalism, said the Nessie claim was presented as “evidence” that evolution could not have happened.

    He added: “The reason for that is they’re saying if Noah’s flood only happened 4,000 years ago, which they believe literally happened, then possibly a sea monster survived.

    “If it was millions of years ago then that would be ridiculous. That’s their logic. It’s a common thing among creationists to believe in sea monsters.”

    Private religious schools, including the Eternity Christian Academy in Westlake, Louisiana, which follows the ACE curriculum, have already been cleared to receive the state voucher money transferred from public school funding, thanks to a bill pushed through by Republican state governor Bobby Jindal, a Hindu convert to Catholicism.

    Boston-based researcher and writer Bruce Wilson, who specialises in the American political religious right, said: “One of these texts from Bob Jones University Press claims that dinosaurs were fire-breathing dragons. It has little to do with science as we currently understand. It’s more like medieval scholasticism.”

    Mr Wilson believes that such fundamentalist Christian teaching is going on in at least 13 American states.

    He added: “There’s a lot of public funding going to private schools, probably around 200,000 pupils are receiving this education.

    “The majority of parents now home schooling their kids are Christian fundamentalists too. I don’t believe they should be publicly funded, I don’t believe the schools who use these texts should be publicly funded.”


    The way I see it, you have the freedom to teach your kids whatever insanities or ignorance you want to, but it shouldn't be publicly funded.

    Thanks to people like Bobby Jindal, we literally have tax money going to curriculums that promote outright fallacies.
     
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    Cubed Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    ...wow. I mean...sure, if a religious school is teaching religion, that's one thing. But to promote a fake 'sea monster' as proof of creationism is just....


    *mind = blown*
     
  3. Forseti

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    Wow, are they serious?

    EDIT: Yeah, they look pretty (*)(*)(*)(*) serious
     
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    As an athiest who has sent their kids to Catholic School, they don't have to teach what you believe. Not that I would send my kid off to that school.. You know the rest of the ciriculum has to be equally stifled.
     
  5. lizarddust

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    "Nessie" is about as real as the Nagas (snake serpent) which inhabits the Mekong and other rivers in SE Asia.

    nagas.jpg
     
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    I saw Godzilla in my backyard last night.
     
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    I say send the guy from River Monsters to find Nessy, if he can't do it, I'll believe Nessy is not real.... :) Granted its not a river, so I'd give him a few extra weeks....
     
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    Western scientists figured out that the ENTIRE EARTH was once covered with water...about, what...150 years ago?

    The ancient Hebrews KNEW THAT OVER 3,000 YEARS AGO, and are the ONLY ANCIENT CULTURE TO MENTION IT.


    As modern genetics has advanced, genetic researchers have deduced that EVERY HUMAN ,SHARES MITOCHONDRIAL DNA , from a SINGLE, FEMALE SOURCE, and that EVERY MALE, SHARES Y-CHROMOSOMAL DNA from a SINGLE MALE SOURCE, and that the MALE ANCESTOR PREDATES the FEMALE.

    This is quite recent ( last 20 years); the ancient Hebrews ALSO KNEW THIS, over 3,000 YEARS AGO.


    Go figure. Witness also God's Chosen People, and their position of POWER (especially ECONOMIC POWER), despite such small numbers....how'd they manage that?

    Now, go see what % of Nobel prizes in Science, Mathematics and Medicine, Jews have been awarded, and , once again, consider how FEW OF THEM THERE ARE.

    Darned good "guessers", aren't they?
     
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    Why did you send your kids to a Catholic School?
     
  10. Serfin' USA

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    Actually, multiple ancient cultures reference the occurrence of a flood.
     
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    Grokmaster Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Says who?
    Cite ONE besides the Hebrews referencing the ENTIRE PLANET BEING FLOODED,and then find another culture that knew we had ONE male,and ONE female ancestor, as well.
     
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    A lot of cultures reference a flood myth. Christianity and/or Judaism are not that original which is actually one of the reasons I like Christianity. I don't have to believe in space ships or magic underwear. This Nessie thing is pretty unnecessary for Christian faith as well. We are dealing with some big time loonie tunes.
     
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    Grokmaster Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Oh really? Let's see one.

    Y'all keep making that claim , but haven't came up WITH ONE other ancient culture that acknowledges a world covered in water.

    Even so, it is verification of ancient Hebrew teachings...

    And, BTW; it's NOT A "MYTH" according to paleontologists, as the Earth WAS covered by a Great Flood.
     
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    Nearly every culture has a flood story and they were all local floods.

    The biblical flood story originated in 2900 BC and was taken from the Ziusudra Epic about flood on the Euphrates.. It lasted six days and was cause by spring snow melt combined with unseasonable heavy rains.

    The result of this synthesis is a reconstruction of a lost legend about a Sumerian king named Ziusudra who was chief executive of the city-state Shuruppak at the end of the Jemdet Nasr period about 2900 BC. A six-day thunderstorm caused the Euphrates River to rise 15 cubits, overflow the levees, and flood Shuruppak and a few other cities in Sumer.

    A few feet of yellow sediment deposited by this river flood is archaeologically attested and artifacts at about this sediment level have been radiocarbon dated.

    When the levees overflowed, Ziusudra (Noah) boarded a commercial river barge that had been hauling grain, beer, and other cargo on the Euphrates River.

    The barge floated down the river into the Persian (Arabian) Gulf where it grounded in an estuary at the mouth of the river. Ziusudra (Noah) then offered a sacrifice on an altar at the top of a nearby hill which storytellers mistranslated as mountain.

    This led them to falsely assume that the nearby barge had grounded on top of a mountain. Actually it never came close to a mountain.

    http://www.flood-myth.com/
     
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    Considering the fact that Creationists are used to promulgating belief in things with no evidence, I guess I shouldn't be surprised by this story
     
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    Two things:

    1) How is this any different from all the ridiculous liberal bull(*)(*)(*)(*) that these poor kids get pumped into their heads at the taxpayers' expense?

    2) Who really knows for sure the truth about Loch Ness?
     
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    And what has this little rant to do with a fictitious, lake-dwelling monster? Oh yes, Jesus rode around on dinosaurs, I forgot.
    Next you'll be telling us you've seen the Yeti and Bigfoot.
     
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    Yeah, indeed if we don't know the truth we might aswell preach about it. Preach? I meant teach.

    Btw which other "liberal" bull(*)(*)(*)(*) is tought at school? I want to know if it comes close to this travesty, though i doubt it.
     
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    How did they know the entire earth was flooded? How did they figure it out? I'll tell you shall I? You don't have a clue; you're taking it on nothing more than faith in some ancient writings by superstitious nomads.
     
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    Possibly the sea levels were higher those days.
     
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    It's unlikely that, without some point of reference, that they could have known that. Besides both the Red Sea and Mediterranean are virtually tideless (a range of around 2 feet, maximum), so that wouldn't have given them any clues either. It's no more than your typical biblical bull(*)(*)(*)(*), in line with prophecies, virgin births and unicorns.
     
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    Good. Now you know how it feels when our kids are forced to watch propaganda films like An Inconvenient Truth and taught other silly nonsense.

    These people are no more nuts than the garden variety Obama voter (who think health care reform will reduce the deficit) or typical *climate change* kook.
     
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    The Bible says the Earth was flooded, but in reality it was the known world at that time.

    Having said that, most of central Australia was covered by an inland sea hundreds of thousands of years ago, but the writers of the Old Testament wouldn't have known this.
     
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    Kids are forced to watch 'An Inconvenient Truth'? Where and when was this?
     
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    Who's forcing them? Are they being tied to chairs with their eyes wired open?
     

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