Genetically Modified Crops Proven to Cause Infertility in Fourth Generation

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  1. cooky

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    This study was withdrawn by the Austrian Government:

    http://www.gmo-compass.org/eng/news/499.austria_withdraws_study_long_term_consequences_gm_maize.html

    "Previously both EFSA and some national authorities had examined the results of the feeding study and had come to the conclusion that no inferences could be drawn from the report since the data were incomplete and contradictory. In addition, important information necessary for a scientific evaluation of the study was missing."

    It seems as though there is no basis for the claims made in the study or the OP.
     
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    I can't understand how anyone is retarded enough to believe these bullcrap websites and to go so far as to put their own kids at risk by not getting them vaccinated etc.
    There isn't proof for any of this bullcrap, it's a collection of conspiracy misinformation memes that idiots believe and spread.
     
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    just wait until someone combines the altered food crops etc, with autism!


    that one will rock the world
     
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    oooops!

    did i say sumthin i shouldnt have?

    stop the press
     
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    oooops!

    did i say sumthin i shouldnt have?

    stop the press
     
  6. r3000

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    Vaccines kill. Don't get them.
     
  7. satv365

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    That is dumb. Humans have been eating meat since we began as a species. Our teeth are designed to rip and tear meat off of animal bones. Just (*)(*)(*)(*)ing stupid. Early man could not have got enough protein and nutrients from a vegan diet while being hunter gatherers.

    Also, Adam and Eve did not exist.
     
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    Here's the first paragraph of the article in the opening post.
    Here's a quote from Dr. Borlaugh, the "Father of the Green Revolution".
    The two quotes share some anger and frustration, but there is one crucial difference.

    One side is completely devoid of compassion, while the other is motivated by compassion.

    Here's a link to an article that outlines the more compassionate side of the story. Hunger is still a real issue on this world. It takes a lot of ingenuity, dedication, and hard work to help those who are starving produce enough food on their own.

    http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/1997/01/forgotten-benefactor-of-humanity/6101/1/
     
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    So for some kooky reason you believe that Monsanto and Bill Gates wants to save starving children??
     
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    Genetic Engineering in crop plants is good, but I would concur that Monsanto is a vile disgusting crony organization that violates the property rights of farmers all over North America and forces them into coercive agreements only to end up buying them out.

    I think some comprehensive regulation is in order for genetically modified food. Sort of, it needs to be tested, retested and tested again to make sure it promotes stability in the long run. Which it can do. Humans have been genetically modifying their crops, animals and so forth since agriculture started...

    I just personally feel Corporations like monsanto need to be reigned in humbled a bit because they have violated the rights of so many farmers and competitors in the past.
     
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    This smelled like genetically modified BS to me so I followed the links to the source...turns out it was to a deleted page on some Austrian science website here. I am satisfied that my BS detector is in fine shape.
     
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    The link works fine. try it again.
     
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    They do work fine, that's how I was able to follow them to the source.
     
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    Invaluable advances in the field of agriculture have been made during the past century, most importantly when it comes to fertilizer. New breeds of crop plants with higher yield and better adaptation to the local climates were introduced too, although that's merely the last chapter in the book of plant breeding. That's an old idea that has been practiced for thousands of years. Pesticides are a double-edged sword, but can be beneficial when used properly. Yield per area has increased greatly over time, giving more people around the globe food security. Overall, I believe that we benefited greatly from the advances in agriculture during the last century.

    Wheat_yields_in_developing_countries_1951-2004.jpg

    Of course, there are other concerns besides producing enough food for everyone. I think we approach the issue from different angles. As an engineer, I tend to focus on the technical and practical problems. You seem to be more concerned about societal issues, like corruption and abuse of power. Let me give you an example.

    I believe that law enforcement is a good idea and beneficial to society. I make this claim although I am disgusted by police brutality and cannot support some laws that are on the books. I am also aware of corruption and even tyrannical police states. Nonetheless, all those perversions of the original idea have not changed my mind yet. I see that law enforcement can work, admittedly not perfectly, but well enough to easily justify its existence. In my experience, good ideas require a lot of work when put into practice and it often takes time and effort to work out as many flaws as possible.

    I approach agriculture from a similar point of view. Monsanto has a monopoly on certain kinds of seeds and has abused its power. Of course, I oppose coercive business practices, but I also recognize that there are new varieties of crop plants with beneficial traits that are in high demand. In my humble opinion, the goal should be to repeal misguided patent laws and break monopolies instead of forgoing agricultural innovation altogether.
     
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    That is one of the most mindless thing to say.......if that was the case people would not be getting more cancer today than they did in all of man's history.......people would have gradually got immune over time as man gradually interdicted toxic chemicals in the environment. What sign is there that people are slowly becoming resistant to cancer causing chemicals for example?
     
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    Most are too dumb-down to even think that far……there brains are too clouded with chemicals to think clearly.
     
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    bla bla bla....

    You didn't answer my question. So for some kooky reason you believe that Monsanto and Bill Gates wants to save starving children??
     
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    Too bad you aren't interested in the subject. I thought this thread was about modern agriculture. Food safety may not be a pressing issue for you and me, but the least we can do is be thankful to those who made that possible.

    As for your loaded question, Monsanto is a corporation. It's designed to make a profit and I don't expect any altruism.

    I do not know Bill Gates' intentions. I would be surprised if he has ulterior motives when it comes to his charitable donations. Whether his aid turns out to be an effective method to alleviate the food crisis in Africa or not, I don't know. It's not just a technological issue, but also a social and economic one. I certainly hope that it helps though.

    When it comes to the agronomist Borlaugh, I am convinced that he wants to save starving children. His work speaks for itself.
     
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    I don't think Bill Gates to be an evil man. He just has too much money to spend it himself and his old lady (*)(*)(*)(*)(*)ed at him enough and made him give back to the world. Now, if you can make crop plants grow with less water, or in more arid regions etc. Spread the seeds. If you can grow 30 pound fruit and vegetables to feed a starving Nation, go for it.

    If you can breed a cow to grow more meat and drink less water or whatever you would need to make Africa a breadbasket go for it. Monsanto is hardly working on such things. Monsanto wants all farmers to be dependent on them, so they can control a good chunk of the food supply. With that control, comes power, and untold wealth and influence in all kinds of areas of society.

    Monsanto needs to go.
     
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    you must be reading it wrong... bill gates and ted turner love us.. and would never hurt a hair on our pretty little heads.
     
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    I don't think Bill Gates or Ted Turner give two (*)(*)(*)(*)s about us. They just throw money into philanthropic causes to make themselves feel better.
     
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    The elite want us under control more than anything. They hates us, they hate us more than they hate the brown people. They hate us because of our freedoms. If they can't control us, they'll have us dead. Cull the heard if you will.

    "Food safety may not be a pressing issue for you" <---- That's what I'm talking about here. Food Safety. And GMO products are not safe. At least give us a chance to decide if we want to eat GMO or not. Ask yourself why they would fight tooth and nail to NOT have GMO labeling. <--- Go ahead and deny deny deny.
     
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    The OP refers to a 2008 article, which refers to a November 2008 Austrian study:

    http://www.opednews.com/articles/Austrian-Government-Study-by-Institute-for-Resp-081115-414.html

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    This 2011 article claims eating organic is all you can do! The concern about GMOs appears to be standing the time test:

    http://www.fertilityauthority.com/b...netically-modified-foods-may-affect-fertility

    Same 2011 media, different link:

    http://infertilityawakening.com/2011/04/16/genetically-modified-foods-may-affect-fertility/

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    This is from 2012, at the Union of Concerned Scientists website:

    http://www.ucsusa.org/food_and_agri...tic_engineering/environmental-effects-of.html

    http://forcechange.com/29140/investigate-the-effects-of-genetically-modified-crops-on-human-health/

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    Research and regulation are both incomplete, four years, after the Austrian study was published.
     
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    I'm not in denial. Big business lobbies big government for power and control. One of my points is that Genetically Modifieing food is nothing new. It's been going on for centuries. It's just now with technology that we can do all kinds of things with it. Monsanto's power doesn't come from their pushing GMO foods. It comes from their power to influence Government. Particularly the politicians and courts of Canada, America and Mexico.

    They sued a farmer (and won) When roundup ready seeds where found growing on his field. His neighbor purchased from monsanto and he used his own seeds, and saved them each year for the next crop. Wind blew seeds over to his plot and they took the sample from the side of the road by a telephone wire.

    The judges where obviously on the take or there is serious problems with law.

    My case, is go back to the root of the cause. Don't treat the symptoms. Attack the disease.
     

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