women who get abortions over and over again

Discussion in 'Abortion' started by Anders Hoveland, Feb 15, 2013.

  1. Cady

    Cady Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Advocates of personhood laws are certainly talking about one celled entities. DNA is not what makes one a person. A zygote has DNA, but so do other cells.

    No, it isn't possible. Latin American countries have some of the most stringent abortion laws, but a higher rate of abortion.
     
  2. Fugazi

    Fugazi New Member Past Donor

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    Please provide a detailed outline on how you would enforce the right to life, please include the following;

    1. how you would investigate all miscarriages to see if they were natural or not
    2. How you would stop a pregnant woman from leaving the country in order to get an abortion in a country where it is legal
    3. How you would investigate whether a pregnant woman had a natural miscarriage or an abortion while in another country
    4. How you would stop a woman ordering a substance on line in order to promote a miscarriage
    5. Would this law include regulating a woman's food intake as some types of food are natural abortifacient
    6. How would you legislate funding for the approx 114,000 extra children going into the care industry
    7. Would your law ban IUD's as they prevent the implantation of the fertilized egg.
    8. What sentence would you impose on a woman for having an abortion
    9. How would you overcome the 14th amendment

    I wait, with little hope, for your answers
     
  3. Mrlittlelawyer

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    So you admit there is a valid right present? No argument past that can stand. I made no allusion that it would be easy to stop abortion, or that it would cease entirely. No law stops a crime completely. It simply averts the worst of anarchy. Neither shall I say I, nor did I say, I am a genius of law, and can come up with all the answers immediately. I know principles and truths though, and those surpass any of the petty excuses you can provide. many of the problems you mentioned may be worked out in their own time.

    I the 14th amendment to be a humorous reference. Considering what it entails. So let me get this part strait. A woman has no right whatsoever to take another innocent life, no matter her excuse. "rights" are not anything a large group of people want, and therefore call it so.
     
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    Abuse what system? If there is nothing wrong with abortion...then what difference does it make how many abortions any woman might get?
     
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    Again...are you for late term abortion...the woman's right to kill through nine months? You pro-aborts talk about rights......then viablity should not matter right? What right is it that you would tell a woman what she can do with what she owns in her body? Anyone who is not pro-late term abortions takes the womans rights away. ARe you doing that?
     
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    Fugazi said,

    Detailed outline? LMAO

    The same way we investigate all crimes committed in the United States. Do we investigate all crimes? That would be impossible. BEcause we can't investigate all activities...does that mean we should make it legal? The police can't begin to investigate all drug offenses. She we legalize all drugs...both using and selling...cause we can't stop it all?

    Why would we have to do this? It would be perfectly legal for a woman who is a citizen to travel to another country where they kill babies....in order to abort somewhere else. I traveled to Amsterdam two years ago...many in the group I went with smoked pot. If a woman is in the United States...she would be held liable to our laws here.

    AGain...if she aborted in another country..it would be her right if abortion was legal in that country.

    If she was turned in...if someone reported her...or could prove like any other crime..that she did something illegal then she should face her accusers. We do this with other crimes. People turn people in....report them...police stop them......
    Most people at one time or another might cheat on their taxes. Sometimes people get caught, others don't. But the laws are still in place for when the cheaters do get caught.

    As I said.....if reported and if proved guilty...then actions should be taken.


    What does that do with abortion? I am sure you pro-aborts would be there to take care of them. LMAO Not on your life. People like you don't do that kind of work. LMAO You point fingers....and yell and scream, and you judge. You want killing because you don't want to exert yourselves to have to do anything.

    Possibly. Yes.


    And funny you forget about the abortionist. He is the one who actually does the abortion, the woman does not.
    I am not sure what punishment.....for the woman...but many states have them in place already.
     
  7. Fugazi

    Fugazi New Member Past Donor

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    please show me where I "admit there is a valid right present?", I do not in my reply.

    The rest is just advoidence.
     
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    Cady Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    This is your standard all-purpose response to any pro-choice post. It doesn't work like you think it does.

    A woman's right to life prevails over the zef's right to life (which has never been established). A woman makes her decision early in the pregnancy. If complications arise, she has a right to protect her own life and health, and that, along with the fetus having a condition incompatible with life, are the only reasons late term abortions are performed.
     
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    Alright then.

    You admit there is a right that could be enforced. That it exists but in essence you ignore it.

    I suppose you could say that, I am not going to play into your game. I can spot a bait, and I am not going to get drawn into it. As I said, this is the right to life, and it does and cannot be negated by any of the questions you asked. The questions only explains how much people would exploit and ignore or violate the right to life, or how they would try. Just as many many people do in all other violation of rights.
     
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    The mother has no obligation to provide milk for her baby. In fact she can give the baby away at this point so someone else may care for it.

    Also it is hardly a 'passive' process. You make it out like a woman never experiences anything during pregnancy and she just passes the baby out of her body willy nilly while she's going to the bathroom. What nonsense. Did you forget there is an entire painful labor process involved with childbirth where her cervix must dilate enough to pass the fetus through?
     
  11. Fugazi

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    No I do not, my reply is to your post where you suggest enforcing the right to life, using your words in no way suggests that I agree with them.

    Seriously .. you think that legislation is made without factoring in the consequences of that legislation, everyone of those questions is valid if (ever) abortion was to be made illegal .. so as I said avoidance.
     
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    No. It exposes your misunderstanding or intentional distortion of my position.

    Over half of all abortions are performed by the 6th week, and over 90% in the first trimester. Mainly because of "anti-abortion" policies some are performed in the second trimester--some because women couldn't scrape up enough money until then, and some because teenagers didn't realize they were pregnant at first. But late term abortions are performed because of complications, not because a woman changes her mind on a whim and decides to abort after enduring 8 months of pregnancy. Late term abortions were wanted pregnancies that went wrong.

    It matters because most people support first trimester abortion which is in line with the gradualist view and Roe v. Wade.
     
  13. Anders Hoveland

    Anders Hoveland Banned

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    But that is the point. She is still obligated to give the baby away to someone else who will take care of it. A woman who abandons her baby can be prosecuted, unless she leaves her baby at a hospital where hospital workers are likely to quickly find it.
     
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    Pasithea Banned at Members Request Past Donor

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    Not sure what this has to do with abortion.
     
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    Fugazi New Member Past Donor

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    Well in that case, let the woman "give away" her fetus to someone else to take care of.
     
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