Can it get any more ARROGANT

This Country is in such trouble.
I cannot recall a time in my life when a supposed Government official
was allowed such poetic license as to be hauled before a Congressional
Committee in order to explain VERY serious charges,that directly implicate
her and an entire Agency { IRS }.And she was allowed to not just plead
the 5th Amendment { she was sworn-in } But Rather arrive and read off
an unbelievable statement { totally self-serving } which according to her
statement also totally excuses her of any wrongdoing.Then she sashay's out
of court as if she can.As if she has every right to just appear before a
Committee and totally do as she pleases.Read a statement and then walk
out of court,not even allowing the Committee to ask a single question.
The person in question is Lois Lerner.
Not even the biggest of Mob bosses throughout the 1900's
was allowed such unbridled arrogance.

 

That's what you get with unelected and unaccountable bureaucrats. The woman needs to be fired and then tried for obstruction of justice. Instead she gets a promotion...

 

Hmm ... why is that " what you get ". I did nothing.Why do I have to get it.
Oh ... I get it.
Everybody has to just learn to take it up the poop shoot in order to let one
Tyrant have his way.

 

Apparently you don't get it the problem is all these bureaucrats are unionized now. You can't fire them, you can't vote them out of office and so they become arrogant (*)(*)(*)(*) heads who thing they know what's best for evryone and anyone tries to cut back on their perks or reduce their numbers gets to watch while they try to maximize rather than minimize the pain their so called customers feel. And we get 'it" because as things currently stand we have no recourse. You do correctly discern what 'it' is. 'It' is the shaft. This is why government is never ever efficient. The incentives are completely bassackwards.

 

Hold her in contempt, throw her in jail and let her become Big Marys "boy"!!!!!!

 

Being in a Union does not allow for breaking of the law.There are laws
on the books like Perjury and Privacy laws.Just like a Peeping Tom.

 

This is Unbelievable.Kelly O'Donnell { NBC Journalist } just told Andrea Mitchell
of MSNBC that Lois Lerner's attorney said he thinks it's entirely appropriate for her
to be able to make an opening statement and then Plead the 5th.
But here's the " unbelievable " Part.That attorney said he finds it " Cruel " to have
his client { Lois Lerner } be made to answer questions of Issa's Committee.
You have got to be Kidding.The woman who was being particularly " Cruel "
not just at her current job at IRS but also at her last job persecuting Religious
Orgs.
This is what happens in a Tyranny.Things get flipped.The Bad guy somehow
gets to declare who the bad guys are.The Bad guys are put in charge of
determining who the bad guys are.
Issa is now a Bad Guy {not THE bad guy} for daring to be so Cruel towards one who was
cruel to others she disliked { Tea Party,Conservatives,Religious groups }.
However this is what happens when Tyranny takes hold.
This country HAS been hijacked.It is teeteting on the verge of a Banana Republic.

 

Fix the darned laws.

Organizations promoting political causes, should certainly NOT be tax-exempt.

The IRS probably got some things 'wrong' (not shocking)... but they were put between a rock and a hard place, mainly because the laws applied aren't clear enough.

 

I guess that explains Media Matters huh.
Or how about Obama's half-brother who got a charity tax exempt status in as
little as 3 weeks being deemed retroactive to 3 years prior.

 

Nonsense.

Just fix the convoluted tax laws.

 

So,just now I found out that in 1959 this 501c4 tax exempt status-the wording was "EXCLUSIVELY" for welware programs-the IRS went in without Congress voting to change the law,changed the word "EXCLUSIVELY" to "PRIMARILY". so for 50 years,NOBODY saw this? So,today in a congrssional hearing it was Senator Maloney that asked a question to an IRS person(can't remember his name at the moment)could this change then in the 501c4 wording then be against the law-the answer was --- YES---
The other thing I found out which is quite confusing-is that a person can operate under a 501c4 tax exempt status without applying,they can
just claim it-so a tea-party Patriot web-site-if you scholl down to the bottom-it states tax exempt status pending! Can you answer that?
Also,several attorneys were on MSNBC today,explaining that the IRS woman claimed the 5th because she had to-there are so many hearings set up that there are words that could possibly be used against her & that she can't testify against herself-where then a question begs to be asked-don't these people in Washington know this? You can't get any questions answered to get to the truth if everyone is lawyered up because of the above mentioned. Actually I think I know the answer to this last question--Politics,that's why-& that is the real scandal here-some don't want to do the work of the people,they just want to play these silly games. But if a good thing can come out of this,all these tax exempt 501c4's(that relate to politics GOP & Democrats alike) could be denied & thrown out & citizens United could be reversed-that would be a giant step in getting some big chunks of money out of politics-so I'm all for these investigations going forward.

 

You and others here are very smart. Your response above SHOWS IT!!

That's it!! "Exclusively" vs. "Primarily".

In my view, the MORE money we push/pull out of our politics... the better-off ALL Americans will be.

 

Amusing that the ones who whine about the tax laws are already rich and will be rich regardless.

 

Excellent point!!

 

First point,yeah,they are lambasting the Agency that has all the moneyright now.
The info I got from my last post was from Lawrence O'Donnell last night-great hour of programming,answered alot of questions for me up to & including why the GOP is will continue their ultra spinning of "so-called" scandal.Lawrence's opinion along with Joy Reid is that the GOP wants to abolish the IRS. It is quite apparent that the GOPBAGGERS in Congress are anti-Government,so their whole plan is to completely do away with Government all together?
So,here is Mitch McConnell this morning,stepping up to the mic,saying "Lerner" pleading the 5th means,there is something deeper & wider in terms of illegal activity" After all the years of him being in the Senate,would you not think he would know the parlimentary procedures by now?Don't you all get just a little insulted by members of Congress standing in front of a mic & act as if we all know nothing?
Here is what they are going to find in their deeper & wider investigation--"No" 501c4's were denied tax exemption-there was" no" outside influence-the groups in question(targeted,whatever)"claimed" the 501c4 & were operating wholely during the campaign(did not influence the outcome of the election)It will be found that the wording in the 501c4 needs to go back to original-all 501c4's political need to be thrown out GOP & Democrats alike.
So,we found out what the problem is,that's a good thing,and as usual the GOP is making a mountain out of a molehill & as usual the GOP will milk this until they realize their constituency is all but nill,except the few thousand GOPBAGGERS & of course Karl Rove.

 

Mitch McConnell is the one who said "make this Obama's Waterloo", did he not? That guy needs to jump off of a high building and pound concrete. I thought I'd never see a more obstructionist right wing when Clinton was President. Boy, was I wrong! The GOP ought not get too cocky here with the IRS thing. It could turn over a few rocks that they're not going to be real happy with, and the groups that support them may wish they kept their collective mouths shut. I certainly would love to watch this thing backfire on their faces.

 

I got 10 bucks says she gets a promotion and a new position in the Obamacare labyrinth.

 

So, I went to check,who has set up these hearings in which Congress is now shooting themselves in the foot(that is everyone now will plead the 5th & lawyer up)and the names are Congressman Kenny Marchant (R) & Congressman Jim Bridenstine (R)& Paul Ryan (R)is in this mix with the full support of the (R) House of Representatives.
Now either these people(GOP) don't know parlimentary procedure,in which case.they have no business being in Congress OR this whole "scandal" issue at hand is being set up to once again try to discredit our POTUS-

 

So, how old are you, 5? This has happened many times in the past, Ronalds patsies did it time and time again during the Iran Contra heardings. Selective memory or are you simply not up on your history?

 

The problem is mostly Obama's culture of dishonesty and manipulation, I believe.

 

The problems with our current bureacracy date back more than fifty years.

Bluebird taking Lawrence O'Donnel's word as Gospel on this just says you are a willing puppet of the Obama Administration because frankly that is all O'Donnel has become.

And Johnny, The IRS didn't change the rules, congress did in the last round of campaign finance reform. Remember McCain/Feingold.

 

Rotten arrogance it is. The public trust is hanged on the scandals of the Obama administration, and it's all about image, all about keeping up appearances, because the press is relentless, and they are driven by passions and sensationalism, but truth is stronger than drama. Plead the 5th, eth? I don't understand, the IRS isn't above the States. As a citizen, I can go to vote, that's about it, but the political parties can set up initiatives and referendums of the people, who can authorize the Governor to drone strike any federal agency he believes has been infiltrated by enemies of the State, how about them apples? So, they do need to better explain themselves about the rogue-factors among IRS employees. Seriously, I am willing to vote that Ohio declare war on the District of Columbia, and totally liberate the United States from whatever enemies foreign or domestic, in that what guilt or remorse should I feel about that, even if it's a bloody civil war?

 

So,what did I say that wasn't true?
And oh,yes the IRS did too change the rules of the 501c4's-without it going through congress-it is then illegal for the 501c4's to be used as they are today-if you don't want to take anyone's word for it-go check the wording of the 501c4's-there also was a Congresswoman on Lawrence's show talking about it.
Go to c-span to watch the Congressional hearing on this very subject yesterday-then I would expect an apology,but I won't hold my breath.
Some of us want the truth-why don't you?

 

Yeah, clearly there was something wrong with the law, that's why ONLY pro-American, pro-Freedom groups were targeted for punishment by the IRS, a law enforcement agency.

Here's a better idea:

Stop taxing income. That would strip the IRS of it's unlawful power to harass the People instantly.

 

Wrong.

No, that is not "...a better idea...".