Pro-"Life" = More Abortions, More Death

Some Facts

1) In Brazil, abortion can only be legally performed in the event that the pregnancy puts the life of the woman in danger or if the pregnancy is the result of a rape.

2) It is estimated that Brazilian women have 1.4 million illegal abortions per year. This might even be an underestimate.

3) In 2010, it was reported that 200,000 women a year are hospitalized for complications of illegal abortion.

So Brazil manages to have an abortion rate nearly on par with the United States, but has only 2/3 of the population. Always remember, any time pro-"lifers" talk about the 1.2 million abortions performed in the USA, they aren't talking about the 1.4 abortions performed in Brazil under their watch. And when they shed their crocodile tears over the handful of women injured by legal abortions in the USA, they don't want to discuss the 200,000 women severely injured by their laws in Brazil.

Sometimes, it almost seems, that pro-choicers are the only ones who really deserve the right to be called pro-life. The other pro-"lifers" are still working on it...if they even care.

 

Pro Life=less abortions, Less Death.

 

OBVIOUSLY.....not in Brazil.

And much the same here....awhile back:
[video=youtube;jIe1lBBJILE]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jIe1lBBJILE[/video]

 

The situation in Brazil is due to other reasons. Abortion is widely accepted in their culture, but most politicians would not dare actually legalize it because Brazil is also a Catholic country and many Catholics would be offended. The situation is very similar to prostitution in Thailand.

Much of the reason has nothing to do with being illegal. It is simply that Brazil is a poor country, and many women go to unlicensed substandard clinics in the poorer rural areas because they do not have much money. There are plenty of licensed abortion clinics that will still do abortion, even if it is technically illegal, but they cost more.

 

If you say so....it must be truthiness:

"There are currently only two situations in which an abortion can be legally conducted in Brazil:
•Rape or incest
•If the life of the pregnant woman is at risk

It is time-consuming and difficult for a woman to prove that a rape has occurred through the judicial court system in Brazil. For this reason, only a small number of legal abortions in this category are performed each year. The Health Ministry has ordered the allegation of rape to be sufficient for a public health service abortion, but this has been strongly opposed by many anti-abortion groups. Because many physicians fear prosecution, they are unlikely to perform an abortion based solely on an allegation of rape and without a police report.

Brazilian law does not recognize rape within marriage, which creates further problems for women who are victims of such an incident.

Abortions must be carried out by a physician and, in the event of rape or incest, consent from the pregnant woman or from her legal representative must be obtained.

Many pro-choice groups have attempted to have serious birth defects included as an acceptable reason for an abortion, but have so far been unsuccessful.

For consenting to an abortion, or performing one herself, a woman can be imprisoned for one to three years. If the woman is harmed, the sentence is four years and, should the woman die, the consenting party can be imprisoned for six years. Judgments have been made, however, to sentence women to perform community service in lieu of serving time in jail.

Statistics
•65 percent of Brazilians believe the current law should remain, according to a 2007 Datafolha survey, and only 16 percent believed it should be expanded to include other circumstances
•It is estimated that around one million abortions are conducted illegally in Brazil each year
•According to the International Planned Parenthood Federation, thousands of women die and hundreds of thousands more are hospitalised as a result of clandestine termination procedures every year
•25 percent of maternal deaths in Brazil are a result of illegal abortions"
http://saopaulo.angloinfo.com/information/healthcare/pregnancy-birth/termination-abortion/

 

Technically yes, but abortion is a widely accepted (though unspoken) part of much of Brazilian society, especially in the crowded cities. For the most part, the government is not very strict enforcing the law, so in practice most women (at least those in the cities) can find a legal abortion clinic (even if the procedure itself is not legal).

This is mostly do to limited financial means in the rural areas. The clinics are there, but the women cannot afford them.
Has less to do with the police shutting clinics down.

All a woman will have to do now in Brazil to get an abortion is claim to the doctor that she was raped.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/3048033/posts?page=1

 

Ignoring the facts won't help those little "babies;" it just brings your motives into question.

 

My motives are to reduce abortions.

BTW, you sound so heartless and cold when you make those statements.

 

They have hearts of stone. And uteruses like steel bear traps.

 

You sound ridiculous trying to guilt me. It is YOUR position that results in more abortions, more maternal deaths. Never forget that.

 

How to you know this information? I want to read what you are reading.

 

Population control. Pro-aborts should be celebrating.

 

Never forget that my position results in less abortions. If abortions was illegal, some women would refrain from having abortions, out of a respect for the law and a fear of punishment. That saves lives!

 

I must assume you have familiarity with Brazil, due to personal experience with the nation and culture as I have seen no data indicating those things you state as fact. If there are illegal clinics spread throughout Brazilian cities that perform abortions on request, they are very much under the radar...to the point of invisibility.
"Although exact figures are impossible to determine, experts believe between 500,000 and 1 million pregnancies are terminated in Brazil each year. Around half of them are induced using a cocktail of drugs and the rest are performed in clandestine clinics. The number of women hospitalized from complications arising from illegal abortions fell by 40,000 between 2003 and last year. However, 200,000 women are still admitted each year, says Adson França, the special assistant to the Health Minister.

França says the federal government offers everything from condoms and contraceptive pills to vasectomies — all free — in every one of the country's 5,565 municipalities. It has increased the budget for contraceptive measures sevenfold since 2003. But in spite of that, and for all Brazil's undeniable progress in other health-related fields, maternal mortality has remained steady for 15 years, a fact researchers say is intimately linked to a lack of safe abortions. Specialists fear that unless the issue is treated more as a health one than as a moral one, that statistic will not change. "The Health Ministry has said all along that this is a public-health problem," says França. "It should be up to the woman to decide how many children to have."


Read more: http://www.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,1993205,00.html#ixzz2aciktEVC

 

I provided the links you asked for proving that pro-choice policies result in fewer abortions than pro-life policies, and you ran away from them. Stop saying you want to reduce abortions, it's obvious you don't care. You just want to be a pro-life cheerleader.

 

Let's just use some common sense. What if a woman wants an abortion but she's afraid of being caught by the law? Abortion's illegality may be a deterrent for some women.

 

Statistics for Brazil and other countries prove your theory is wrong.

 

Sure, but that's brazil. That's not America. We are talking about america, not brazil.

 

Yes, let's do use some common sense, which isn't very common around here. Why would a woman be afraid of being caught by the law? She's gonna take a pill in the privacy of her own home. A pill she bought while on vacation in Mexico. Why would she be afraid?

 

Well, what if a woman wants to be a good citizen and obey the law?

 

Everybody wants to be a good citizen and obey the law, BUT we all also recognize that lawmakers are fallible, so we don't see the need to obey a bad law. Women also recognize that most lawmakers are men with little understanding or knowledge of pregnancy/childbirth but who think they know more than we do, and we don't see the need to "obey" such inferiors.

 

That comment is very sexist towards men.

 

Yeah, you're right. And it's very sexist OF men to think they understand pregnancy/childbirth sufficiently to tell women what they must do. (The majority of lawmakers are male.)

 

It's not sexist. They are making anti-abortion laws because they believe that abortion is murder. It doesn't matter whether or not abortion is murder or not, or whether or not the fetus is a person, all that matters is that they are not motivated by sexism; they are motivated by a belief in saving baby's lives. Your accusations against their motives are totally false.

 

A sexist doesn't have to know he/she is a sexist in order to be one. Ignoring the woman in the campaign to save a baby IS sexist, and it doesn't matter if the sexist is ignorant.