Fast Food workers declare minimum wage "unlivable"

Absolutely, if the person isn't happy with that wage, he can do one one of the following: he can further his skills and get a raise, or go to a company that offers more, or he can continue working for that pay and accept it.

What's cool about that statement, THAT'S F****** TRUE REGARDLESS OF WHAT THE DOLLAR RATE IS ON THE WAGE/SALARY!

But, I know what you are really saying here: "Waaaaaaa, someone is making a lot of money and I'm not".

So, get up, get smart and go earn it.

 

"I'm doing just fine, so I have no sympathy for those who aren't". Really, dude? Really? Where do you live? What do you pay for housing? Is it below average for the area? Could you feed a child on your paycheck? Do you have any idea how many variables you're just tossing aside in this embarrassing overgeneralization? I mean, there's this stereotype about conservatives having no compassion... Nice going.

 

that's right! Just like elections, raises have consequences....

 

That raise might just cost you your job. If the competition undercuts you you make nothing.

 

Sounds like you need to either do that or find another business to own.

I have owned and mangaged businesses and their budgets so I don't need to be educated. If you have a point to make about them make them.

I ask the poster a simple question as to their statement

"Some people never question Big Business profits "

So how much profit should a big business be allowed to make, and we will use net income to revenue, before they are "attacking the little man"?

OK so what? A small independent owner of what? A service company no you can't move that overseas. A small manufacturer, yes they could mover that overseas.

Obviously your business plan was working as planned, so why are you telling me all this and what does it have to do with anything. LOTS of business fail because they can't generate enough revenue or net income.

Yes and your point is what?

I have, it is hard, sometimes plans don't work out and it is not successful, you can try again or go to work for someone else.................what is your point?

Guess what? He started out as a small business. Guess what the being the CEO of Microsoft is a hard job, you work long hours, you can fail and if you do you can cause financial harm to millions not just you. Try sleeping with that everynight and making your decisions based on that. Doesn't quite compare to a small business.

I agree, there are millions of people who could flip hamburgers, hundreds of millions. If your hamburger flipper left today you'd have new one in a heart beat and the business would see virtually no effect. CEO's capable of running big corporations are few and far between and are vital to the running of the company and the protection of the investors assets in that company. That is why they can command such high salaries and benefits when they do produce such results. Many people look at the salaries of such executives when a company is losing money and say why on earth are they paying that person so much when the company is losing money, well it may be that the economy is in a downfall making it just as important to have a competent person steering it through such times to minimize the losses and protect the assets and keep the company viable until the economy turns around.

But back to this discuss. If you want to make more then make yourself more valuable and then use those skills to do it whether self-employed or working for someone else. Get a job flipping burgers, well then do a great job and show the owner that you want to learn how to make them, and then how the order and keep the inventory necessary to make them, and then how manage the cash coming through the business and then how to lead train and lead other people and become a manager and on and on. If someone thinks they should be able to make a middle class earning and support a family of four as a burger flipper their entire life they a lesson to learn and a business certainly has no obligation to pay them a wage that would enable them to do so. The wage is based on what value they add to the product or service or what revenue they generate as I do in sales.

 

How so?

- - - Updated - - -

You don't have a choice at McDonalds the all come out well done. Got a point in there somewhere?

 

You're saying the employee gets to decide?

Remember all those lefties saying illegals are coming here for the jobs that Americans won't do?

Guess what...it's all a vicious circle.

When the economy sucks and businesses go under and jobs are scarce, people are willing to work anything because they just need a job. So, not happy with minimum wage, no problem amigo, there's a line of people behind you waiting for the chance.

THAT'S how it is for minimum wage jobs in general, even when the economy is good, why? Because by definition, it's a job anyone can be trained to do with minimum training time or effort, that's why it's called "unskilled" labor.

 

that's just a falsehood. Things are going swimmingly. We had the Summer of Recovery 3 years ago and the recession has ended. Didn't you get the memo?

 

Figure it out:

1. Rent. Maybe $750 for a small apartment
2. Utilities. $150 for electric. $30 for water. $30 for trash removal. $50 for a phone that can only call 911 and make local calls. $200 for heat in the winter (gas or oil).
3. No car - so just $200 for a monthly bus/train pass
4. Medical & dental for wife, husband, one kid. $1,000. Mine is $850 and my company pays half (United Healthcare). My new company wanted $1,700 so I am doing the $850 COBRA for 18 months.
5. Apartment renter insurance. $100 a month.
6. Food: about $200 a week (never eating out, 21 meals a week for 3 people)
7. Clothing for work, home, and for the kid for school. About $100 a month or so.
8. $50 a month for pharmacy and co-pay for medical visits.
9. $10 a month for a cheap TV and cheap computer at Walmart on a credit card, and maybe $40 a month for the cheapest service from a cable company (internet included).
10. Cheapest possible cell service and lowest possible minutes with a free phone - $50 a month.

That totals about $3,300 a month right there with nothing saved for an IRA, for Christmas and Birthday presents for the child, etc. Nothing for orthodontia ($5K per kid nowadays), for glasses (which cost $400 at Walmart these days). If you added a really crap car it might be $100 for a car loan, $100 for insurance, and $100 for gasoline and then delete the $200 train/bus pass.

 

And on the other end we have the lefty who makes stupid decisions and expects the rest of the world to pay for it, support it and take care of it because he/she can't possibly be responsible for their own actions...but I digress...

 

So in your world, a member of our Armed Force stationed in Alabama is just as much of a welfare burden as some unemployed derelict parasite in NYC ?

 

You do forget that workers help build the profits but don't share in the profits. You would never think about profits going lower so workers can live a better life. I get where you come from but why do you defend Big Business?

No, let's talk about 3.6 million people and that we are talking about $7.25 per hour. 2.5 million are high school graduates or attained higher eduction. 45 million workers and families would benefit from a minimum wage of $10.50. The middle class would benefit from a higher floor.

 

Is it better to have a job that pays $7.50/hr or no job at all.

If you price yourself out of the market, you'll get to sample the latter.

 

We're talking minimum wage.

 

Dude, I absolutely agree with you, not sure why you are taking exception with me. That was the entire point.

 

This is all just more of liberals wanting free-stuff. Get out of the forums, and stop playing your computer games libs, and go out and make yourself more valuable. Or don't, and stay poor and stupid.

 

People think a $3 hamburger from McD's tastes like crap..... at $7 they are gonna taste a whole lot worse.

 

Of course, I never said that. So who were you talking to?

What poppycock! Your opinion of a worker's worth means nothing. $10 an hour - way to stretch the truth. The market has been a buyers market for businesses for 30 years. Businesses do not care about what a worker is worth. They try to pay the least for an expense.

 

Again, let me be clear...minimum wage job, 3 mouths to feed = big issue with choices made by that person. All expenses that erference a wife anda child fall into this category.

$750 a month is an expensive apartment in many locations. If you are a minimum wage worker, trying to rent an apartment for $750 per month is stupid.

If you are a minimum wage worker, you probably ought not try to live in Simi Valley, or New York City.

You probably should consider a standard landline phone instead of a cellphone. Yeah, inconvenient, I get it...I hope you do too.

Renter insurance is optional.

Yes, minimum wage is not conducive to a particularly comfortable lifestyle. I agree, that's why I bothered to get an education and worked hard to get better pay, but you can live on minimum wage, it just isn't to the standard that most seem to think it should be.

 

And here I thought people were saying these were overly skilled workers working for min wage ?

Wouldn't all the correctly-skilled, and under-skilled workers want those jobs ?

"If they all left".... those positions would be filled in an instant.

Not while they're out protesting their wages they aren't.

 

You think a new employee wouldn't be trained how to flip the burger when the buzzer goes off ?

 

If someone is going to argue numbers they should present links.

So if being "Right wing" means I'm not going to waste my time on numbers from thin air, then by all means... call me Right wing.

Interesting how the left wing is always ok with it.

 

Funny how people who love the corporation "individuals" never think about real people. When the unions were powerful, workers' wages improved and business did not collapsed.

 

That is a scare tactic. Jobs are dropped at first but the increase demand of those making more bring the jobs back.

 

yes, the point is that you get what you pay for in this world. Every wonder why a hamburger in an upper scale resturant is better then mickey D's? Its prepared better then a fast food because they pay the chefs (who flip burgers as well) more then minumum wage.