The "Shut 'er downers"

It is sadly a fact known only to you. The government thinks otherwise, and has said so.

 

Let me know where a job in private industry is subject to the political whims of economic terrorists or your job depends on the agenda of the executive branch, but whatever.

Furthermore maybe you missed the fact that people with degrees who work for the government make about the same or less than those in private industry.

But believe your own propaganda if you want.

 

Please read #267
It gives you the facts and figures I did not believe you would accept from me so here they are from bobov.

It pretty well agrees with Moi and disagrees with

Look forward to your discrediting #267.
Or replying honestly and rant free.


Moi

 

I would say they're taking a stand for sanity, considering our government's massive borrowing and spending. The entire system is insane. This little government shutdown thing (oh the horror!!) is a very small taste of what is to come thanks to our unsustainable debt levels and the extensive economic damage that has been and still is being wrought by Keynsians.

It's time for this transfer of wealth from the working classes to the cartels to cease. The sooner this sham system is shut down, the better.

 

I agree.
In the Private Sector you lose your job if you are not productive.


Moi

Roderick, it seems several have caught up to your faith based, know nothing, don't confuse me with facts, style. Eh?
Just poll above, don't take my word for it.

 

Typical Liberal BS. Please , oh please, Mr Government Man, take care of me. Please, please, please! It is not now nor has it ever been the governments job to take care of me from the cradle to the grave, or you or anyone else.

Millions have gone before us not having Uncle Sugar Daddy reaching into the back pockets of someone else, to take care of them.

The simple fact is someone has to pay.

 

thats what the polls show

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yea, the 1% has to pay. Society has allowed the 1% to get to where they are. the least they could do is pay so that we can have programs that provide services to ppl who need it

 

actually, deficit has been shrinking. this is not about the debt. this is about shutting down obamacare, for political reasons.

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thats not true at all. i would argue that most finance jobs have negative value to society. and yet they make millions, essentially siphoning money from hard-working americans into their pockets through stupid financial tricks. it's a huge con game.

 

i dont think it matters whether private sector jobs make more or less than the govt. the govt does things that the private sector cannot do, no matter what. so the wages of its employees are irrelevant.

 

No sane person doubts that their sabotaging the normal business of government will wreak havoc with the nation's economy. Such an irresponsible stunt would adversely impact economic growth and, consequently, increase the deficit. Berserkers savaging the full faith and credit of the United States because they're in a tizzy over the law of the land enacted by duly elected representatives of the people will redound to the loathing Americans already accord them in abundance.

As conservative columnist Kathleen Parker explains to the dull of wit:

... besides which, refusing to pay the debts you've already incurred in no way impacts the extent to which you might incur debts in the future. It merely designates you as a deadbeat amongst nations.


Meanwhile, CBO expects that the law will cut the deficit by around a trillion dollars in its second decade.

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Society has allowed? Damme! If you say so, it must be so. Some guys suffer from penis envy, as well, I suppose, and some women from booby envy.

 

Of course the CBO can only work with the info the WH gives it. As you put it, "no sane person" doubts that government always exceeds it's pie in the sky projections when it comes to "predicting" the cost of new entitlements. The current bill has done one thing, it has energized grass root support for the Tea Party (25% of Americans support the movement, not just Republicans but Americans) and when the failures of this bill (which become more apparent every day) are realized those same people will remember who fought for them.

Much like the propaganda around sequestration, where the WH whines about all the damage but can easily find 300 million to bail out Detroit, propaganda is the key. The propaganda of Democrats doing one thing and turning around to blame someone else has been the hallmark of politics from day one of Obama's administration much like they are trying to blame Republicans for "shutting down government" because the democrats block a spending bill.

 

You sound like an ideological true believer, so I won't question your blind faith. The lunacy under which some refuse to admit to the TP-type GOP extremists being responsible for the havoc they wreak is irrelevant, because the public will grasp the reality. There are plenty of normal Repubs making that point.

When you opine that, "the CBO can only work with the info the WH gives it," you are woefully awry. You may want to enlighten yourself regarding the CBO's data sources and methodologies:

 

We don't pay our debts as it is now - we borrow, i.e. create more debt, in order to pay older debt. Would you say that using one credit card to pay another is "paying your debts?" I should hope not. You may be meeting some agreed upon obligation to pay a sum, but in principle you're not paying a debt off. You're just shifting it around.

Also, we don't have real economic growth. We have a major depression on our hands that's so far been masked by the Fed's policies. The panic that arises when they even talk about tapering reveals how bad our situation actually is. Facing reality will cause a new crash and hardship, yes. Thing is, there is no way out of it. There is certainly no need to increase the debt, though. Stop borrowing, period. That's the more immediate response. The alternative is a severe attack on the value of the dollar thanks to all the printing, and with it a massive loss of wealth for all the non-1%ers, or at least for everyone not in the banking cartel that controls the country's money supply.

Try listening to what many people who have spent many years on Wall Street, building their careers there, are saying...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5KH0dcvFwWk

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=56U5V6N6nY8

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JYM5tpP_yAI

These are honest ones. The rest just play along and watch out for their own.

 

Spoken like a true believer. You parrot the talking points well. Of course "normal" republicans are those that agree with progressive democrats.

 

I'm not interested in cherry picking ideological boilerplate. Any zealot can do that concerning whatever notions they want to foist upon others.

I grasp the pragmatic consequences of the stunt the TP-types are trying to pull. It is the legislative equivalent of a childish tantrum, and most folks will understand that, including Republicans.

 

As a pragmatist, I have a clear understanding of the consequences. I leave the blind faith to the fanatics.

Will the Affordable Care Act, the law of the land, succeed or fail? Pragmatists know the one way that can be determined, not by radical maneuvres to avoid the answer, not by effusive praise to sell it.

You just give it a try and see. That's why most Americans, regardless of whether they are dubious, do not want it repealed.

 

Because fighting for the American people is so passe.

 

My views happen to comport with those of most Americans:

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-250_162-57604632/republicans-may-take-more-blame-for-shutdown-poll-says/

That does not make me right or wrong, but in properly assigning culpability, it constitutes yet another self-inflicted political wound to compound the current loathing for the GOP which will pay an elective price unless they can get the wackos in line.



It is obvious that they don't need this tawdry spectacle on top of their self-admitted demographic fate:

 

LOL, the republicans presented moderates the last two elections and lost. Democrats were giddy when Reagan was nominated because they just knew he was to conservative.

 

T'aint no one more childish in this than the progressive crowd, the people who want their weekly allowance but have no clue about how economics work. The people who cry about the poor and villify the wealthy while their own heroes take them, along with the rest of us, for a ride.

How many years did the new president spend blaming Bush for policies he now himself supports and enacts? We are governed by charlatans and egomaniacs, no matter which side of the aisle you look at.

 

That's a great point about the Republican candidates in the last couple of presidential races.. Those crazy mad Tea Partiers have never made it to that race. I expect they are regarded similarly even by their fellow Republicans to how the Libertarians are. Thus we're actually running on two Left feet these days...

 

The pretense of "fighting for the American people" is readily exposed by just asking the American people:

The berserkers are fighting against the American people.

However, the irony is that even the option presented in the national poll is predicated upon a false premise. Their tantrum would not defund the health care law that has them in such a tizzy. Funding the most significant parts of nationalized WillardCare would effectively remain in place. A large portion of the Affordable Care Act is funded with mandatory spending -- which Congress is required by law to keep up - as well as multi-year funds still available - in the event of a government shutdown.

So, let Rafe and the Crusiers hold their fetid breath, sit on their swords, savage the economy, befoul the full faith and credit of the US, and let Americans hold the GOP responsible for their behaviour in their futile effort to prevent the American people having the opportunity to actually discover if it will be a success or failure. Apparently it is their fear of the former that motivates them, since the latter would induce ecstasy, given that they have hinted that they wish neither the President, nor Democrats, nor responsible Republicans well.

Proof-in-pudding style, questions regarding the viability of the law of the land will be answered, of course, regardless of the antics of extremists.

"It appears that substantial ACA implementation might continue during a lapse in annual appropriations that resulted in a temporary government shutdown," the nonpartisan Congressional Research Service said.

 

Ah, if only they had gone with Cheney or Palin or Trump or Santorum or O'Donnell or Akin or Mourdock or Angle or ...

As it was, the zanies were actually predicting a landslide for the dude they picked, Individual Mandate Man. That was comical delusion enough.

With radio entertainers as their leaders, it's hardly surprising that the fringe element of the GOP has crossed over into Fantasy Land.

 

everyone owes everything they have to the society in which they live. Without the society, nobody is anything.