Marriage isn't a human right

Legal rights and Constitutional Law COMES from Natural Law as so stated In the Declaration of Independence, or Rights come from GOD!

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed. ​

 

You aren't making real sense and sound really paranoid to me.

Even so, I do understand the homophobia you are exuding in what you say. It's clear to see that you are against homosexual people being married.

There's not much left to argue. People in large numbers accept both homosexual people and their getting married. And surely, the arguments over homosexuals getting married in far more of an issue than homosexuals actually marrying period. It is becoming an exercise in 'futility'.

 

I see your 'opinion', but you are certainly not the final 'arbiter' in ANY of this. Your greatest power is the one you exercise in NOT going into a homosexual marriage.

Too many courts and States are proving you wrong, to take what you're saying seriously.

 

Yes on your own land, if you're among the very few privileged people to have such land. Everyone else need a license

 

If I'm wrong so was Thomas Jefferson and the other Founders who wrote, debated, and ratified the Constitution. No US law is legal if it does not adhere to the Constitution. No court ruling is legal or considered to be "Constitutional" that violates the Constitution, or Supreme Law of the Land again written by people who understood and believed in Natural Law. To say Natural Law and Natural Rights have nothing to do with Constitutional Rights is naïve, silly, and just plane wrong.

 

Jefferson wrote that and died a long time ago. This society and its LAWS (even the Constitution) has changed since Jefferson was around (as it had to).

Now, here you are claiming to be in alignment with a person who knew change was coming, despite what you say. It's ludicrous stuff man, ludicrous.

 

Exactly!

 

What? Are you saying that each person having health care instead of limted to the influential and rich violates Natiral Law somehow?

 

What special privileges? Gays only want what heteros already have.??

 

Heteros and homos are limited to the opposite sex. Two heterosexual men would be excluded from marriage just as two homosexuals would be excluded.

 

And that is just a STUPID, UNTENABLE view... if ever I saw one.

 

That's not one marriage and is instead multiple, separate marriages. Each one of them between a man and a woman.

Nonsense. Lets see evidence of even one such marriage from 1776 - 1999 in the US.

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Its a grasp on reality you long ago lost.

 

Marriage has traditionally been defined (both religeous and political) as being between one man and one woman. It arose out of the need of man and woman having to be together to produce offspring. Governments subsequently made specific provisions based on marriage. It is obvious that gays can't form a union to produce offspring. However, if they want recognition of having a dedicated union inoredr to obtain the government granted marriage advantages let it be known as a civil union and don't try to redefine marriage.

 

Who cares as far as the government is concerned? They are free to live together as they please. All the old laws against sex or cohabitating with someone without a marriage license are all gone.

 

And there isn't really any valid reason for limiting such unions to "gays". City of Autin recently demonstrated this common sense. They made all city employee benefits previously limited to ones spouse, available to any two who live together and have financial interdependence. Two platonic friends, single mother and grandmother raising their children/grandchildren together and two gay people. Any two consenting adults. As opposed to all these other state domestic partnerships or civil unions that retain all other restrictions of marriage except those that prevent gay couples from marrying. None of which have anything to do with equality and is instead inequality by design for the benefit of gays.

 

you guys can continue to beat that drum until your hands fall off. Fact is that the war is lost . In the last month 3 more states have established marriage equality as the law. DOMA was overturned in part and will soon be history in its entirety. Proposition 8 was overturned and SCOTUS let that stand The ENDA is about to pass in congress despite the GOP majority in the house. Get over it. Get on the right side of history. 70% of young people are in favor of marriage equality. Marriage is not about reproduction and civil unions are inadequate.

In a few short years, those standing in the in the way of equality will be viewed with the same scorn and ridicule as all decent people now view the Bull Connors of the old south. Think about it.

 

and it had always been between the same race until people realized that two consenting adults are more then capable of making the choice on their own who they want to marry

fact is.. there are many same sex couple legally married in this country, so you can no longer say that, as it is what is is....

in the old days religious nuts ruled the day.. not so anymore... feel free to pick up sticks on the weekend.. we wont stone you for it


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Reality is that I should probably not argue this or related topics with you.

We are both settled in our positions.

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Yes. America and it's laws have changed. And where it concerns the rights of gay people... it's for the better.

 

Exactly. America is going through a legal/social transformation that some are not willing to admit. It's right there, in front of us all.

 

Standards are "ludicrous" "man" I think you need help!

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Can't decipher your "point" so I can't respond...

 

Don't go away mad, just go away.

 

One more thing that I want to convey to these anti equality people. I'm a 66 year old married straight guy. I don't usually share that because my sexuality is no body's business but my own..as is the case with every one. I only share that in order to try to make an impression on people. As a younger person, I was not always as accepting of people who were different than me. However, I learned that you can get past the fear and if you do, life is better and easier. I don't know how old these other people are, but please know that you do not have to live and die with the hatred and fear running through your veins. You'll be happier and your legacy will be more positive. Think about how your grand children will remember you. Most likely they are pro equality and in fact don't even get what the big deal is.

 

Marriage equality would involve marriage for any two consenting adults who desire marriage. Which hasn't been enacted in any of these states who were only concerned with eliminating obstacles for gay couples.

 

I understand and agree wholeheartedly!! Amen!!

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Just remember that none of us rules the world. You're human and I'm human. Let's go from there.

 

What silliness. Marriages limitation to heterosexual couples isn't hatred or fear of homosexual couples. Just as this limitation to heterosexual couples in the law-

160.204. PRESUMPTION OF PATERNITY. (a) A man is
presumed to be the father of a child if:
(1) he is married to the mother of the child and the
child is born during the marriage;

is based upon biology, so to is marriages limitation to heterosexual couples based upon biology.