Ireland: Israeli products marked with yellow sticker

Here's more for you to chew on (which I doubt would make a scrap of difference to your closed minded - deeply entrenched/Zionist brainwashed opinion , but which I post for other , perhaps more fair minded readers;

extract -
"Luftwaffe General Field Marshal Erhard Milch was warned by a US Army Major to stop testifying on behalf of Hermann Göring in the main Nuremberg trial. The American officer told Milch that if he persisted, he would be charged as a war criminal himself, regardless of whether or not he was guilty. (note 83) Milch did not back down and was indeed charged. In 1947 a US Nuremberg court sentenced him to life imprisonment as a war criminal. Four years later, though, the US High Commissioner commuted his sentence to fifteen years, and a short time after that Milch was amnestied and released. (note 84)

Reports of widespread torture at the postwar American-run "war crimes" trials at Dachau leaked out, resulting in so many protests that a formal investigation was eventually carried out. A US Army Commission of inquiry consisting of Pennsylvania Judge Edward van Roden and Texas Supreme Court Judge Gordon Simpson officially confirmed the charges of gross abuse. German defendants, they found, were routinely tortured at Dachau with savage beatings, burning matches under fingernails, kicking of testicles, months of solitary confinement, and threats of family reprisals. Low ranking prisoners were assured that their "confessions" would be used only against their former superiors in the dock. Later, though, these hapless men found their own "confessions" used against them when they were tried in turn. High ranking defendants were cynically assured that by "voluntarily" accepting all responsibility themselves they would thereby protect their former subordinates from prosecution.85

One Dachau trial court reporter was so outraged at what was happening there in the name of justice that he quit his job. He testified to a US Senate subcommittee that the "most brutal" interrogators had been three German-born Jews. Although operating procedures at the Dachau trials were significantly worse than those used at Nuremberg, they give some idea of the spirit of the "justice" imposed on the vanquished Germans.

Virtually all of the US investigators who brought cases before American military courts at Dachau were "Jewish refugees from Germany" who "hated the Germans," recalled Joseph Halow, a US Army court reporter at the Dachau trials in 1947. "Many of the investigators gave vent to their hated by attempting to force confessions from the Germans by treating them brutally," including "severe beatings."86

The case of Gustav Petrat, a German who had served as a guard at the Mauthausen, was not unusual. After repeated brutal beatings by US authorities, he broke down and signed a perjured statement. He was also whipped and threatened with immediate shooting. Petrat was prevented from securing exonerating evidence, and even potential defense witnesses were beaten and threatened to keep them from testifying. After a farcical trial by a US military court at Dachau, Petrat was sentenced to death and hanged in late 1948. He was 24 years old.87

Use of torture to produce incriminating statements has not been limited to postwar Germany, of course. Such techniques have been systematically used by governments around the world. During the Korean War, American airmen held as prisoners by the Communist North Koreans made detailed statements "confessing" to their roles in waging germ warfare. Under physical and psychological torture, 38 US airmen "admitted" dropping bacteriological bombs that caused disease epidemics and claimed many Korean civilian lives. These statements were later shown to be false, and the airmen repudiated them after returning to the United States. Their phony confessions were the same kind of evidence given by Rudolf H_ss and others at the Nuremberg trials. Under similar circumstances, Americans proved at least as ready to "confess" to monstrous but baseless crimes as Germans.88

One of the most important and revealing Nuremberg cases is that of Oswald Pohl, the wartime head of the vast SS agency (WVHA) that ran the German concentration camps. After his capture in 1946, he was taken to Nenndorf where British soldiers tied him to a chair and beat him unconscious. He lost two teeth in repeated beatings.89 He was then transferred to Nuremberg, where American military officials intensively interrogated him for more than half a year in sessions that lasted for hours. Altogether there were about 70 such sessions. During this period he had no access to an attorney or any other help. He was never formally charged with anything, nor even told precisely why he was being interrogated.

In a statement written after he was sentenced to death at Nuremberg in November 1947 by the American military court ("Concentration Camp" Case No. 4), Pohl described his treatment.90 He reported that although he was generally not physically mistreated in Nuremberg as he had been at Nenndorf, he was nevertheless subjected to the less noticeable but, as he put it, "in their own way much more brutal emotional tortures."

American interrogators (most of them Jews) accused Pohl of killing 30 million people and of condemning ten million people to death. The interrogators themselves knew very well that such accusations were lies and tricks meant to break down his resistance, Pohl declared. "Because I am not emotionally thick-skinned, these diabolical intimidations were not without effect, and the interrogators achieved what they wanted: not the truth, but rather statements that served their needs," he wrote.

Pohl was forced to sign false and self-incriminating affidavits written by prosecution officials that were later used against him in his own trial. As he recalled:


Whenever genuine documents did not correspond to what the prosecution authorities wanted or were insufficient for the guilty sentences they sought, "affidavits" were put together. The most striking feature of these remarkable trial documents is that the accused often condemned themselves in them. That is understandable only to those who have themselves experienced the technique by which such "affidavits" are obtained.

 

To protect its' citizens from products made by the corrupted,

All products sold in Ireland that have been manufactured by homosexuals will bear a

Lavender sticker.



Moi

 

I notice you didn't provide the link but I shall ....

The Nuremberg Trials (part 2) - Institute for Historical Review

I had no idea you would stoop to using a Holocaust Denying site to use as a stand up source for your proof. Here, I shall counter this with .....

The Holocaust

Nope, nothing about torture there.

The old revisionist scholar technique - bring forth one shaky piece of the tens of thousands of testimonies and so therefore all of them must be sustpect huh? Two can play that game marlowe, Irving was defeated in court so therefore all Holocaust deniers must be full of it.

Sorry but Belgium is a long way from the Nuremberg trials and none of your examples from blogs counter the confessions of the Nuremberg defendants confessions Marlowe.

 

"Acceptance of Israel and removal of her destruction would be the key" as I stated.

And Palestinians can have all that and more once they make peace.

 

You are posting neo-Nazi propaganda with no link but which is ripped straight from the Institute for Historical Review authored by the renowned neo-Nazi propagandist and member of the National Alliance by the name of Mark Weber:

http://www.ihr.org/jhr/v12/v12p167_Webera.html

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mark_Weber

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Alliance_(United_States)

Touche Marlowe, touche. Zeig Heil!!!

 

He didn't include the link because even he knows it stinks to high heaven of biased hate.

 

Belsen was not an extermination camp it was a concentration camp that. also, held POW's; furthermore, who exactly were these "British officers" who your source is quoting? Can you provide the House of Commons transcripts? Your laughable source doesn't even bother to offer us a citation so that we may reference it ourselves.

 

Marlowe says the the proof is everywhere. Actually thought I saw some at Wal Mart today but just can't remember what aisle it was.

 

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Mark Weber and IHR are not Neo-Nazi

I'm afraid Marlowe's assessment of you is correct.

 

The Institute for Historical Review (IHR), founded in 1978, is an American antisemitic pseudo-scholarly[1] organization with links to neo-Nazi organizations

 

I am afraid that is a lie, the IHR is a Nazi rag promoting numerous well known Neo-Nazi's; such as, the neo-Nazi Mark Weber who was a member of the National Alliance which is a neo-Nazi organization, any assertion to the contrary is a lie.

Now back to the point at hand, or rather several listed in my boiler plate response I offer to all holocaust deniers I meet on this website none of whom can offer a single valid rebuttal, including you.



You have been provided the Special Operational Reports of the Einsatzgrupen to the SS-Reichssicherheitshauptamt Reich Main Security Office (RSHA) detailing the targeting of Jews, the dates of the killings, where they were killed, and how many:

http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/Holocaust/sitreptoc.html

You have been shown the authentication of those reports by SS-Sturmbannführer Kurt Lindow chief of subdepartment IV A 1 [of the RSHA] who received them.

http://www.nizkor.org/hweb/orgs/german/einsatzgruppen/esg/authenticity.html

You have been provided the Jager report produced by SS-Standartenführer Karl Jäger, commander of Einsatzkommando 3 detailing the extermination of Lithuanian Jewry including nearly 40,000 children:

http://fcit.usf.edu/holocaust/resource/document/DocJager.htm

You have been shown the testimony of Morgen, Kremer, Böck, Hofmann, Hössler, Klein, Münch, and Stark, all high ranking Nazis, none charged with any crimes, who all came forward of their own volition to testify, and to this day have not recanted their testimony to their dying day,

You have been shown the Wannsee Transcripts outlining the Final Solution to the Jewish question.

http://www.writing.upenn.edu/~afilreis/Holocaust/wansee-transcript.html

You have been shown the testimony of SS Obersturmbannführer Adolf Eichmann the man who took the minutes of the conference who confirmed them as authentic during his trial under questioning from his defense attorney's Robert Servatius and Dieter Wechtenbruch:in the German.

http://www.ghwk.de/ghwk/engl/texts/eichmanns-testimony.pdf

[video=youtube;kPFcMy1oLIA]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kPFcMy1oLIA[/video]

[video=youtube;m3TqRrAK4e0]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m3TqRrAK4e0[/video]

You have been shown Reichsführer Heinrich Himmler's Poznan Speech of October 4, 1943 proving that Final Solution was a euphemism for extermination and not deportation:

I am now referring to the evacuation of the Jews, the extermination of the Jewish people. It's one of those things that is easily said: 'The Jewish people are being exterminated', says every party member, 'this is very obvious, it's in our program, elimination of the Jews, extermination, we're doing it, hah, a small matter.' [...] But of all those who talk this way, none had observed it, none had endured it. Most of you here know what it means when 100 corpses lie next to each other, when 500 lie there or when 1,000 are lined up. To have endured this and at the same time to have remained a decent person - with exceptions due to human weaknesses - had made us tough. This is a page of glory never mentioned and never to be mentioned. [...] We have the moral right, we had the duty to our people to do it, to kill this people who wanted to kill us.

http://www.holocaust-history.org/himmler-poznan/

And another on October 6, 1943:

I ask of you that that which I say to you in this circle be really only heard and not ever discussed. We were faced with the question: what about the women and children? – I decided to find a clear solution to this problem too. I did not consider myself justified to exterminate the men - in other words, to kill them or have them killed and allow the avengers of our sons and grandsons in the form of their children to grow up. The difficult decision had to be made to have this people disappear from the earth. For the organisation which had to execute this task, it was the most difficult which we had ever had. [...] I felt obliged to you, as the most superior dignitary, as the most superior dignitary of the party, this political order, this political instrument of the Führer, to also speak about this question quite openly and to say how it has been. The Jewish question in the countries that we occupy will be solved by the end of this year. Only remainders of odd Jews that managed to find hiding places will be left over.

You have been shown the comparative World Almanac census statistics for the global Jewish population showing a drop of nearly 5.5 million between 1938 and 1949.

http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi/people/ftp.cgi?people//f/freedman.benjamin/background-data

You have been shown the Nazi document showing that an 80,000 cremation capacity per month at Auschwitz was insufficient.

http://www.holocaust-history.org/auschwitz/topf/

You have been shown the details of the mass graves excavated at Belzec:

Grave 3 is 16 meters long by 15 meters wide by 5 meters deep (about 52 feet by 50 feet by 16 feet.)

Grave 10 is 24 meters long by 18 meters wide by 5 meters deep (about 78 feet by 59 feet by 16 feet.)

Grave 20 extends outside the current camp boundaries and so could not be completely measured. The part that could be measured is 26 meters long by 11 meters wide by 5 meters deep (85 feet by 36 feet by 16 feet).

More dishonestly, Mattogno fails to mention at all that Graves 1, 4, 13, 25, 27, 28 and 32 also contain unburned remains.

Therefore, out of 10 graves that held whole human remains, Mattogno only acknowledges 3 of them.

Grave 5 contains "pieces of burnt human bones so densely packed together that the drill could not penetrate further." The grave is 32 meters long by 10 meters wide by 4.50 meters deep (about 105 feet by 33 feet by 15 feet).

Grave 6 is 30 meters long by 10 meters wide by 4 meters deep (about 99 feet by 33 feet by 13 feet). It contains "carbonized wood and pieces of fragments of burnt human bones. At the east end of the grave, the ground is covered with gray sand containing a mixture of crushed pieces of burnt and unburned pieces of human bones."

Graves 3, 10, 11, 12, 13, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19, 21, 22, 23, 24, 25, 27, 28, 29, 30, 31, 32, and 33 all contain fragments of burnt human bones, human ashes and carbonized wood.

Grave 14 is the largest in the camp. It contains "burnt pieces of human bones and fragments of carbonized wood mixed with grey sandy soil to a depth of 5 meters." That is about 16 feet deep.

http://holocaustcontroversies.blogspo t.com/2006/05/carlo-mattogno-on-belzec.html

You have been shown the unrepentant testimony of SS-Gruppenführer Otto Ohlendorf head of Einsatzgruppen D outlining the rear actions of the Einsatzagruppen regarding the intentional murder of ethnic Jews in the East based on their blood including the women and children:


Q. What were these orders?

A. These orders had as their purpose to make it as easy as possible for the unfortunate victim and to prevent the brutality of the men from leading to inevitable excesses. Thus I first ordered that only so many victims should be brought to the place of execution as the execution commandos could handle. Any individual action by any individual man was forbidden. The Einsatzkommandos shot in a military manner only upon orders. It was strictly ordered to avoid any maltreatment, undressing was not permitted. The taking of any personal possessions was not permitted. Publicity was not permitted, and at the very moment when it was noted that a man had experienced joy in carrying out these executions, it was ordered that this man should never participate in any more executions. The men could not report voluntarily, they were ordered.
Q. Why did you not prevent the liquidations?

A. Even if I use the most severe standard in judging this, I had as little possibility as any of the codefendants here to prevent this order. There was only one thing, a senseless martyrdom through suicide, senseless because this would not have changed anything in the execution of this order, for this order was not an order of the SS, it was an order of the Supreme Commander in Chief and the Chief of State; it was not only carried out by Himmler or Heydrich. The army had to carry it out too, the High Command of the Army as well as the commanders in the east and southeast who were the superior commanders for the Einsatzgruppen and Einsatzkommandos. If I could imagine a theoretical possibility, then there was only the refusal on the part of those persons who were in the uppermost hierarchy and could appeal to the Supreme Commander and Chief of State, because they had the only possibility of getting access to him. They were, after all, the highest bearers of responsibility in the theater of operations.

Q. Did you not try in Nikolaev to dissuade the Reich Leader SS from this order?

A. The situation in Nikolaev was especially depressing in a moral sense, because in agreement with the army, we had excluded a large number of Jews, the farmers, from the executions. When the Reich Leader SS was in Nikolaev on 4 or 5 October, I was reproached for this measure and he ordered that henceforth, even against the will of the army, the executions should take place as planned. When the Reich Leader SS arrived at my headquarters, I had assembled all available commanders of my Einsatzgruppe. The Reich Leader addressed these men and repeated the strict order to kill all those groups which I have designated. He added that he alone would carry the responsibility, as far as accounting to the Fuehrer was concerned. None of the men would bear any responsibility, but he demanded the execution of this order, even though he knew how harsh these measures were. Nevertheless, after supper, I spoke to the Reich Leader and I pointed out the inhuman burden which was being imposed on the men in killing all these civilians. I didn't even get an answer.

Q. Now, I cannot pronounce it correctly, the Karaims were another sect whom you encountered in the south of Russia, and this sect had no Jewish blood, but it did share the religious confessions of the Jews. Is that right?

A. Yes.

Q. You submitted to Berlin the question whether the Karaims should be killed, and I understood you to say that the order you got from Berlin was you shall not kill them for they have nothing in common with the Jews except the confession?

A. Yes.

Q. Will you explain to the Court, please, what difference there was between the Karaims and the Krimchaks, except Jewish blood ?

A. I understand your question completely in reference to the eastern Jews, in the case of the Jews who were found in the eastern campaign. These Jews were to be killed-according to the order-for the reason that they were considered carriers of bolshevism, and, therefore, considered as endangering the security of the German Reich. This concerned the Jews who were found in Russia, and it was not known to me that the Jews in all of Europe were being killed, but on the contrary I knew that down to my dismissal these Jews were not killed, but it was attempted at all costs to get them to emigrate. The fact that the Karaims were not killed showed that the charge of the prosecution that persons were persecuted for their religion is not correct, for the Karaims had that Jewish religion, but they could not be killed because they did not belong to the Jewish race.

Q. I think, Witness, you answered exactly what I had antici-

*Sect which refused the Talmud and adopted the Old Testament as sole source of faith.
**Turkish Jews of mixed Semitic and Tartaric blood.

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pated in the last sentence, "They did not belong to the JewishRace," is that right?

A. Yes, That is right.

Q. They were found in Russia?

A. Yes.

Q. But they participated in the Jewish confession in Russia?

A. The Karaims had the Jewish faith, yes.

Q. But your race authorities in Berlin could find no trace of Jewish blood in them?

A. Yes.

Q. So they came absolutely under the Fuehrer Decree or the Streckenbach Order to kill all Jews?

A. Yes.

Q. Because of blood?

A. Because they were of Jewish origin. For you must understand the Nazi ideology, as you call it. It was the opinion of the Fuehrer that in Russia and in bolshevism, the representatives of this blood showed themselves especially suitable for this idea, therefore, the carriers of this blood became especially suitable representatives of the bolshevism. That is not on account of their faith, or their religion, but because of their human make-up and character.

Q. And because of their blood, right?

A. I cannot express it any more definitely than I stated, from their nature and their characteristics. Their blood, of course, has something to do with it, according to National Socialist ideology.

Q. Let's see, if I can understand it; we've got a lot of time, I hope. What was the distinction except blood?

A. Between whom?

B. Between the Karaims and the Krimchaks?

A. The difference of the blood, yes.

Q. Only the difference in blood, is that so?

A. Yes.

Q. So the criterion and the test which you applied in your slaughter was blood?

A. The criteria which I used were the orders which I got, and it has not been doubted during the entire trial, that in this
Fuehrer Order the Jews were designated as the ones who belonged to that circle in Russia and who were to be killed.

Q. Tell us how orders that you operated under in 1941 in Russia differed from the order which controlled killing of Jews in Poland in 1939 ?

A. In Poland individual actions had been ordered, while in Russia, during the entire time of the commitment, the killing of all Jews had been ordered. Special actions in Poland had been ordered, whose contents I do not know in detail.

COL. AMEN: Were all victims, including the men, women, and children executed in the same manner?

OHLENDORF: Until the spring of 1942, yes. Then an order came from Himmler that in the future women and children were to be killed only in gas vans.

COL. AMEN: How had women and children been killed previously?

OHLENDORF: In the same was as the men - by shooting.

COL. POKROVSKY: You said that mostly women and children were executed in these vans. For what reason?

OHLENDORF: That was a special order from Himmler to the effect that women and children were not to be exposed to the mental strain of the executions; and thus the men of the kommandos, mostly married men, should not be compelled to aim at women and children.

THE TRIBUNAL (Gen. Niktchenko): In your testimony you said that the Einsatz group had the object of annihilating the Jews and the commissars, is that correct?

OHLENDORF: Yes.

THE TRIBUNAL (Gen. Niktchenko): And in what category did you consider the children? For what reason were the children massacred?

OHLENDORF: The order was that the Jewish population should be totally exterminated.

THE TRIBUNAL (Gen. Niktchenko): Including the children?

OHLENDORF: Yes.

THE TRIBUNAL (Gen. Niktchenko): Were all the Jewish children murdered?

OHLENDORF: Yes.

http://www.ess.uwe.ac.uk/genocide/Einsatz2c.htm
http://law2.umkc.edu/faculty/projects/ftrials/nuremberg/Ohlentestimony.html

You have been shown the report from SS Reichsführer Heinrich Himmler to Fuhrer Adolf Hitler entitled "Report to the Führer on Combating Partisans", stating that 363,211 Jews had been killed by Einsatzgruppen in August–November 1942.



You have been shown the Höfle Telegrams sent by SS-Sturmbannführer Hermann Höfle on January 11, 1943 to SS-Obersturmbannführer Adolf Eichmann in Berlin and SS Obersturmbannführer Franz Heim in Cracow detailing the number of deaths of Jews in the concentration camps.



You have been shown the Korherr Report written by chief inspector of the statistical bureau of the SS, Dr Richard Korherr outlining the population drop of European Jewry (4 million not including substantial portions of Eastern European Jewry and Jews within occupied Soviet Russia) from 1937 to December 1942.

http://www.holocaustresearchproject.o rg/holoprelude/korherr.html

And now you have been shown the searchable database of over 4.2 million names and back stories of Jewish victims of the Shoah compiled by Yad Vashem.

http://db.yadvashem.org/names/search.html?language=en

Respond to the unequivocal evidence or kindly stop posting nonsense.

 

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4449775,00.html

Poor, poor Israelis. Won't the world just leave them alone to take lands and homes away from the Palestinians? After all, it's their land promised to them by G-d! Who are we or the Palestinians to interfere?

 

Is he Jewish?

 

Poor dear. It must be awful for the delicate little snowflake.

 

Nice overt anti-Semitism, but it only goes to prove my point that the BDS movement is motivated not by a care for human rights but out of hatred for Jews.

 

I will refuse to buy anything made by people not personally known to me whose opinions I approve of. I'm readying a 20-page questionnaire testing attitudes on major controversies. Since anyone who doesn't share my opinions is obviously evil, and should be impoverished as a result, this will go a long way toward making a better world.

 

Nope, it's hatred for what they're doing. Different matter altogether, and those activities would be rightly condemned whoever was perpetrating them. That Jews are doing it is incidental. Still, if you want to wheel out the tired anti-Semitism canard, be my guest. It doesn't work anymore.

 

Doesn't take but the slightest of comments to push these folk into their catch-all accusations, huh.

It seems to escape them that each time they cry wolf (maybe mouse is a better animal) they not only water down the actual cases of anti Jewish sentiment (rare though it undoubtedly is) but also completely abuses those who did suffer at the hands of distinctly anti Jewish behaviour during WW2.

 

So in your opinion any valid criticism of Israel and its policies, foreign or domestic is, by default, anti-Semitism? Sorry but that really doesn't work anymore.
My late stepfather was a Jew who fought the Nazis in WW2, and he had nothing but contempt for Zionism as practised in Israel. What does that make him; a 'self-hating Jew' or some equally idiotic, made-up, simile?

 

I take it that you failed to read + understand the extract in the Daily Mail - the link I've posted. If you wish to know more , then why not get a copy of " Cruel Britannia" by Ian Cobain, from Amazon
Here's an extract from another source
http://www.theguardian.com/books/2012/nov/23/cruel-britannia-ian-cobain-review


"In the British torture prison at Bad Nenndorf, when a prisoner complained that he was going to starve, Captain Smith replied with sang froid: "Yes, it looks like you are." More than 60 years later, Cobain tracked down one German victim, a tough retired businessman, who began trembling with fear when he learned the subject of the proposed interview.

What did this systematic abuse of Germans achieve? These "interrogations … proved, beyond doubt, that Hitler was dead." When the political mandarins were faced with the horror of what had been done to the prisoners, the truth was too embarrassing to bear, so the British authorities made sure there were no public prosecutions where inconvenient truths might seep out.

One witness was advised to "escape" (by walking out of the open gate) after being told that if he testified against the British officers he would be the one spending the rest of his life in prison.

Cobain's history continues with British abuses in the late colonial era. As the world sought scientific answers in the 50s and 60s, so the British sought more scientific methods of abusing prisoners in the cold war. Then came the notorious "five techniques" used on the alleged terrorists targeted in Northern Ireland before, most recently, we repeated all the mistakes of history with the "war of terror" (as Borat called it) and Iraq.

We do not, of course, yet know all the sordid details of our recent past. The security services are, with the energetic support of the government, devoted to keeping their misconduct secret for as long as possible.

Cobain has used declassified materials from years gone by to demonstrate a pattern that has been recycled with the perceived terrorist threat faced by each generation. His excellent book will, I hope, educate us all.

• Clive Stafford Smith's Injustice: Life & Death in the Courtrooms of America is published by Harvill Secker.

also :
The interrogation camp- London Cage, Bad Nenndorf that turned prisoners into living skeletons

German spa became a forbidden village where Gestapo-like techniques were used

more in next post -

(gives me a chance to go over it once again (wink)

:

 

The numbers of dead Jewish victims during WW2 is an issue solely for historians to debate, but what this article has to say about the torture of German POW’s at the Nuremberg Trials is extremely important ;

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The American Senator, Joseph McCarthy, in a statement given to the American Press on May 20th, 1949, drew attention to the following cases of torture to secure such confessions. In the prison of the Swabisch Hall, he stated, officers of the S.S. Leibstandarte Adolf Hitler were flogged until they were soaked in blood, after which their sexual organs were trampled on as they lay prostrate on the ground. As in the notorious Malmedy Trials of private soldiers, the prisoners were hoisted in the air and beaten until they signed the confessions demanded of them.

On the basis of such "confessions" extorted from S.S. Generals Sepp Dietrich and Joachim Paiper, the Leibstandarte was convicted as a "guilty organisation". S.S. General Oswald Pohl, the economic administrator of the concentration camp system, had his face smeared with faeces and was subsequently beaten until he supplied his confession.

In dealing with these cases, Senator McCarthy told the Press: "I have heard evidence and read documentary proofs to the effect that the accused persons were beaten up, maltreated and physically tortured by methods which could only be conceived in sick brains.

They were subjected to mock trials and pretended executions, they were told their families would be deprived of their ration cards. All these things were carried out with the approval of the Public Prosecutor in order to secure the psychological atmosphere necessary for the extortion of the required confessions. If the United States lets such acts committed by a few people go unpunished, then the whole world can rightly criticise us severely and forever doubt the correctness of our motives and our moral integrity."

The methods of intimidation described were repeated during trials at Frankfurt-am-Mein and at Dachau, and large numbers of Germans were convicted for atrocities on the basis of their admissions. The American Judge Edward L. van Roden, one of the three members of the Simpson Army Commission which was subsequently appointed to investigate the methods of justice at the Dachau trials, revealed the methods by which these admissions were secured in the Washington Daily News, January 9th, 1949. His account also appeared in the British newspaper, the Sunday Pictorial, January 23rd, 1949.
The methods he described were: "Posturing as priests to hear confessions and give absolution; torture with burning matches driven under the prisoners finger-nails; knocking out of teeth and breaking jaws; solitary confinement and near starvation rations." Van Roden explained: "The statements which were admitted as evidence were obtained from men who had first been kept in solitary confinement for three, four and five months . . .

The investigators would put a black hood over the accused's head and then punch him in the face with brass knuckles, kick him and beat him with rubber hoses . . . All but two of the Germans, in the 139 cases we investigated, had been kicked in the testicles beyond repair. This was standard operating procedure with our American investigators."[/B]

What happened to the German POW’s after World War Two and in the lead up to the Nuremberg Trials were the precursors of what happened in Abu Ghraib.

The US government has never investigated the horrific abuse of German POW’s after World War Two, and this sent a signal out to the US military that has led to atrocities being committed by American troops throughout the late 20th Century, from the My Lai massacre in Vietnam to the torture of Iraqi’s in Abu Ghraib.

The Nuremberg Trials are a stain upon history. They are not proof of the greater morality of the Western Powers, for the Nuremberg Trials were themselves simply the heirs of the Nazi show trials and the Soviet show trials. The findings of the Nuremberg Trials do not act as evidence of any historical events - simply because the trials were themselves based on acts and evidence that can only be classified as crimes against humanity.

What we require today is for the Nuremberg Trials, and all those involved in it, to be investigated and the facts revealed.

If any evidence that was included in the Nuremberg Trials is found to have been based on torture, then that evidence should be thrown out.

The present political regimes of the West are the heirs of those that authorised the torture of German POW’s.


The Nuremberg Trails were nothing more than propaganda events designed to make the Germans look ‘evil’ and the allies look ‘good’, they were not records of historical events.

Any historical narrative whose roots can be found in torture have no legal, historical or moral validity.

This is a recognised principle of both modern law and politics.

For the West to use the Nuremberg Trails as an example of the superior morality of the Allies, and also to use the findings as evidence of any historical events, is both perverse and unlawful.


The rules on torture are today regarded as universal and applying to all people in all countries - and that principle must also be applied to the past as well.

Just as the so called ’confessions’ of people in the Third Reich and the Soviet Union are now regarded as historically unreliable, then logical consistency demands that the Nuremberg Trials be measured with the same yardstick.

The West has for too long embraced a collective cult of self imposed amnesia over its crimes during the Second World War.

It is this collective amnesia, and the sense of superiority it engenders even today amongst the US armed forces, and also the Israeli armed forces, which allows them to continue to commit atrocities generation after generation.

All those who were criminals either during the Second World War, or after the war, must be punished if they are still alive today.


The hunting of Nazis is regarded as ’justice for the dead’ yet the hunting, arrest and trials of Communist, Israeli and allied criminals who committed the same crimes as Nazis is never even contemplated.

Justice for the innocent dead is a universal concept, and unless we begin to hunt and prosecute all those who committed crimes against humanity during the 20th Century then we have no grounds on which to call ourselves a civilised nation.
The German POW's were human beings with rights under the Geneva Convention.

They should also have been regarded as innocent before being proved guilty which is the only basis of a civilised legal system.

Just as we rightly condemned the torture and ill treatment of British pilots captured by Saddam Hussein during the first Gulf War, we should extend that principle to all other human beings including German POW's in the Nuremberg Trials.

Just as we condemned the torture of British soldiers by the IRA, we should extend that principle to all combatants in all conflicts

including the torture and murder of British soldiers by Jewish terrorists in Palestine and during the terrorist campaigns by Irgun and the Stern Gang and others that created Israel - as the Geneva Convention requires us by international law to do.

Those tortured were regarded as guilty the moment the first fist or boot smashed into their face. Therefore the confessions they made are meaningless.

The issues of the Holocaust and the Nurmeberg Trials must be regarded as separate.

For the Holocaust to rely on evidence obtained by torture demeans its standing in history.
Torture a man long enough and he will confess to anything.

Democracies built on tyranny, blood and lies require perpetual tyranny, blood and lies to keep them alive.

I am sure that each family whose members fought in the Second World War have a story to tell.

My grandfather, who was in the Royal Navy, told my family of an event he witnessed during the war. His ship was sent to take on board German prisoners of war and my grandfather was sent to escort the German POW's on board the ship for transportation back to Britain.

As a German POW, a former member of the SS, came on board the boat he spat at my grandfather and swore at him in German.

An MP who stood at the top of the ramp took his pistol out of his holster then shot the unarmed German POW in the back of the head, then kicked his body over the edge of the boat into the water.

He smiled at my grandfather and said ' The bastard wont do that again ' and walked away laughing.

How doing that helped the war, or made us morally better than the Nazis, escapes me.

The time has come for the lies that shame history to be investigate and the truth finally told.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Organised_persecution_of_ethnic_Germans

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I'm well aware that none of the above will make a scrap of difference to the closed minded - who are too deeply entrenched to accept any informative counter to that of their Zionist thought controllers .

tata...

 

Due to the increase of hatred towards illegal Muslim immigrations, Soon Europians will start to boycott Muslim and Arab products.
Will this force illegal Muslims to leave Europe ? Probably not.
So what will boycotting Israel help ? Nada.
It will only worsen Palestinian economy situation.
Stupid Pro Arabs.

 

lol.

If you re-read it and replace "these folk" with "the pro Israel blare brigade" you'll be better informed as to my views.

 

A) The assertion that there was never an investigation is a lie, there was an investigation and these are its findings:

The subcommittee report

In its report, the subcommittee acknowledged some facts, such as the mock trials, the use of hoods or containment. On the other hand, its findings did not support the most serious charges, like the beatings, torture, the fake hangings and the starvation of the defendants. In addition, the subcommittee considered that commutations of sentences pronounced by General Clay had occurred because of U.S. Army recognition that the investigations had not always been properly carried out or that procedural irregularities could have occurred during the trial.

On the other hand, the commission did not take a position on the culpability of the condemned. On the contrary, it endorsed the conclusions General Clay issued in the particular case of Lieutenant Christ. In summary, Clay had written that “he was personally convinced of the culpability of Christ and, that for this reason his death sentence was fully justified. But, to apply this sentence would be equivalent accepting a bad administration of justice, which led him, not without reserve, to commute the death penalty to life imprisonment”.[18]

The report of the subcommittee was strongly influenced by testimony of the CIA presented in secret hearings arranged with the help of the Army's Counter Intelligence Corps as reported in the Oral History of Col. Justice M. Chambers, the subcommittee's chief investigator. ."[19]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malmedy_massacre_trial#Review_procedure

B) The citation you placed for your article is a fraud, that is not from wikipedia that is ripped straight from the pages of the IHR:

http://www.ihr.org/books/harwood/dsmrd03.html

This time the author is none other than Richard E. Harwood which is a pseudonym of Richard Verrall the former deputy chairmen of the BNF and editor for speerhead

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Verrall

Got to love the fact that every one of the authors Marlowe has presented has neo-Nazi credentials.

Furthermore; even if there was mistreatment of German POWs after the war on such a large scale it does absolutely nothing to change the facts proving the systematic mass murder of European Jews which resulted in between 5-6 million Jewish deaths. Once again you don't have a single valid rebuttal to the mounds of unequivocal evidence I presented.

 

Sorry sport but if the hatred of Jews was not the driving force behind the BDS movement then they would be calling for boycotts against actual apartheid states; such as, Saudi Arabia and Iran, however, the BDS movement was started and is still run by pro-Hamas overtly anti-Semitic Arabs within Israel and the disputed territories and in turn their western supporters are now clearly in the neo-Nazi camp:



Cited above is a leader within the BDS movement named Pippa Bartolotti posing with a Syrian neo-Nazi swastika flag of the SSNP.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Syrian_Social_Nationalist_Party