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  1. Marlowe

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    Really - Hmmm. ---- GET THIS :

    Jewish voices, in Israel and elsewhere, supporting the BDS movement

    European Jews for a Just Peace

    Network organisation of Jewish European peace groups: Jewish Voice for a Just Peace in the Near East – Austria; Union des Progressistes Juifs de Belgique; European Jews for a Just Peace Denmark; Union Juive Francaise pour la paix; Jewish Voice for a Just Peace in Middle East – Germany; Network of Jews Against Occupation - Italy; A Different Jewish Voice – Netherlands; Jews for Israeli-Palestinian Peace – Sweden; Jewish Socialists' Group - United kingdom; Jews for Justice for Palestinians - United kingdom


    "The time has come to translate our criticism of and opposition to the Israeli governments and policies into effective, non-violent actions like the BDS campaign. While the effect may seem symbolic in the first instance, such actions will activate a citizen base which will put pressure on the EU and national governments and Israeli society and government."

    http://jipf.nu/ejjp/ejjps-bds-deklaration

    American Jews for a Just Peace

    An alliance of activists in the United States

    "American Jews for a Just Peace believes that the power of moral suasion alone will not alter the facts on the ground in modern day Israel and what is left of Palestine. The Israeli state's inexorable march toward the obliteration of the Palestinian nation within the borders of historic Palestine is nearly complete, and no amount of rhetoric, good intentions, and pleas alone will alter that fact.

    "In light of this reality, and of the tragic, inhumane, and illegal siege of Gaza and occupation of the West Bank, AJJP joins and endorses the call from Palestinian Civil Society to mount a global campaign of Boycott, Divestment, and Sanctions against Israel. We do this in the same spirit that the people and nations of the planet united to end the apartheid regime in South Africa, by applying non-violent economic sanctions of such magnitude that the offending state has no alternative for its economic survival other than to end its inhumane and unjust practices. We believe there is no one way to engage in boycott, divestment, and sanction practices and that the range of potentially effective actions is limited only by the imagination and commitment of those who advance their strategies and call."

    http://www.ajjp.org/about

    Independent Jewish Voices (Canada)

    A group of Jews in Canada

    "Whereas there will be no lasting peace without implementation of international law, United Nations resolutions and respect for the human rights of both Palestinians and Jewish-Israelis [...] Therefore be it resolved that Independent Jewish Voices will [...] Support the Palestinian call for a campaign of boycott, divestment and sanctions until Israel meets its obligation to recognize the Palestinian people’s right to self-determination and complies with the precepts of international law, including the right of Palestinian refugees to return to their homes and properties as stipulated in UN resolution 194."

    http://ijvcanada.org/ijv-vji-statem...jv-votes-to-support-palestinian-call-for-bds/

    Breaking the Law of Return Over 100 Jews from the United States

    "Today there is a growing transnational movement for boycott, divestment, and sanctions (BDS) against Israel, called for by Palestinian civil society and supported by activists, artists, and academics around the world, including an increasing number of conscientious Israelis. As part of this campaign, we pledge to boycott the “law of return.” As an act of political and ideological divestment, we repudiate the claims the State of Israel makes on us as potential citizens."

    http://usacbi.wordpress.com/2010/02/14/breaking-the-law-of-return/

    Naomi Klein

    Canadian award-winning journalist, syndicated columnist, author

    "There is a debate among Jews [...] about whether the lesson of the Holocaust should be 'never again to anyone', or 'never again to us.' […] it is precisely because of what we experienced as Jews that we must denounce racism, denounce systems of segregation wherever they crop up, even and especially when they crop up amongst our own."

    " [..] part of the reason why there is so little interest in peace within Israel - [there are] two reasons: one is the fact that it is possible to live a relatively normal, fun life in Israel; and the other is that Israeli companies are not feeling the pinch from war."

    " […] Everything would be fine if we used words that barely register and tactics that barely worked... But we are here to reject that. We are here to use language that resonates and reaches people. And we want to use tactics that actually work."

    http://www.bdsmovement.net/?q=node/465

    Judith Butler

    American post-structuralist feminist philosopher

    "The idea is that we cannot participate in cultural institutions that act as if there is no occupation or that refuse to take a clear and strong stand against the occupation and dedicate their activities to its undoing".

    "One cannot 'set aside' the radical impoverishment, the malnutrition, the limits on mobility […] the exercise of state violence in both Gaza and the West Bank and talk about other matters in public [when visiting Israel]. If one were to talk about other matters, then one is actively engaged in producing a limited public sphere of discourse which has the repression and, hence, continuation of violence as its aim."

    http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1152018.html

    Sarah Schulman

    Novelist and Professor in the City University of New York

    "In November 2009 I had the honor of being invited to keynote the Tel Aviv LGBT studies conference, and very much wanted to attend. However, when I learned that it was being held at Tel Aviv University, I decided to instead go on a solidarity visit to anti-Occupation venues in Israel as well as meeting with Palestinian LGBT groups in the West Bank. LGBT audiences came to alternative venues to speak with me, so I was able to dialogue with queer audiences without undermining the Boycott. Although it took a lot of conversation and thought before I decided to participate in Boycott in this way, the trip convinced me that this was the right decision.

    "LGBT people in Israel and Palestine are deeply involved in the anti-occupation movement, and they need and want our support of Boycott and Sanctions. I participated in a demonstration against the Wall in Bilin, and easily half of the Israelis supporting the Palestinian villagers were queer. The "Boycott Me" movement among Israeli academics is growing. I met with two different Palestinian LGBT organizations who clearly articulate the relationship between LGBT liberation and the Boycott and want and need our help. Economic pressure - on the model of the South Africa Divestment Movement- is the primary popular strategy for change in Israel and Palestine. American students are now increasingly involved in getting their schools to divest, and the LGBT community can be a dynamic force in this effort. Through conversation and thought, the LGBT community will expand our freedom visions to include Palestinians human rights."

    Invincible

    Detroit based Hip-Hop artist

    "Israel– you should be ashamed \ Kill and maim 1,000's of civilians in our name \ Claim you hitting terrorists but children in your aim \ Even murder relief workers blood spilling from they brain \ While they tried to drive the ambulance, damn they couldn't stand a chance \ Even bomb students, hospitals, mosques, Rafah, and Khan Yunis \ Shot em in the back like the cops to Oscar Grant… \ And in each case the good ol' united states sponsored that \ 7 million a day that we pay tax and AIPAC's lobbyists is robbin us \ Sometimes it feels like they're ain't no stopping this \ BUT now no body can deny it cuz you made it too obvious \ Naked truth exposed like the emperor's clothes \ The struggles getting hotter and the temperature rose \ Since 1948 when you formed the state \ Palestinian people still defending their homes \ They aint been surrendering, NO \ Boycott Divest and Sanction..."

    "The Emperor's Clothes" http://emergencemedia.org/node/118

    BOYCOTT! Supporting the Palestinian BDS Call from Within

    Over 100 Israeli citizens and residents

    "We, Palestinians, Jews, citizens of Israel, join the Palestinian call for a BDS campaign against Israel, inspired by the struggle of South Africans against apartheid [...] We stand against all forms of racism and oppression, and support and encourage BDS actions as a legitimate political activity and a necessary a means of non-violent resistance."

    http://boycottisrael.info/node/2/

    Rachel Giora
    Israeli feminist and Professor of Linguistics

    "I am writing to express my support of your actions toward helping the boycott movement become engulfing and effective [...] In light of Israel's widely documented disregard for international laws exercised in our area for so many years, culminating in two recent wars against civilians in Lebanon and Gaza, it is left for us citizens of the world to attempt to hold up a mirror to Israel's real face in the hope that it will give it a chance to choose justice and peace over occupation."

    http://www.bricup.org.uk/documents/israel_unis/Giora.pdf

    Udi Aloni
    Israeli-American film maker

    "The aforementioned violations of human rights are precisely the reason why many Jews all over the world have joined the BDS campaign, a key issue for those of us who are trying to prevent violence against Israel while simultaneously countering its arrogant and aggressive policies against the Palestinians living under its rule."

    "The most provably-effective form of pressure known to us so far is BDS. Thus, BDS action does not amount to negative, counter-productive action, as many propagandists try to portray it. On the contrary, BDS action is a life-saving antidote to violence. It is an action of solidarity, partnership and joint progress. BDS action serves to preempt, in a non-violent manner, justified violent resistance aimed at attaining the same goals of justice, peace and equality."

    http://usacbi.wordpress.com/2010/01/06/udi-aloni-why-we-support-the-non-violent-bds-movement/

    Ilan Pappe
    Israeli-British Professor of History

    "We should not tire from mentioning the alternative in the 21st century: BDS -- Boycott, Divestment and Sanctions -- as an emergency measure -- far more effective and far less violent -- in opposing the present destruction of Palestine. And at the same time talk openly, convincingly and efficiently, of creating the geography of peace."

    http://www.arabworldbooks.com/arab/ilanpappe.htm

    Michel Warschawski
    Israeli Journalist, writer, founder of the Alternative Information Center (AIC)

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    Anti-semite - self hating Jews , are they ? or simply upstanding, worthy, honourable. mensche ? (wink)

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    No need to apologise.

    I expect you're conditioned to believe what you believe.

    The rest of us can simply gaze upon reality unmolested by agenda and see that Israel is indeed an apartheid state much like we did when SA was an apartheid state.
     
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    Hypocrites and extreme far leftists to the last and organizations with members in less than a thousand each. The fact remains that the BDS movement was started by and is currently led by anti-Semitic Hamas loving Arabs in Israel and the disputed territories, you as a radical anti-Semite, holocaust denier, Khazar conspiracy theoriest and promoter of Neo-Nazi propaganda material are testament to the fact that the BDS movement is less about human rights and more about hatred of Jews.

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    Conditioned by who? Let me guess it's the JOOZ right?

    This very thread is testament to the fact that the BDS movement is populated by Jew hating neo-Nazi's.

    An apartheid state under which its Arab citizens have full and equal rights under the law and enjoy more freedoms, more opportunities, better education, and higher standards of living than ANYWHERE in the Arab world.
     
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    Well, the problem is that you'd be marking just about all products.

    Israel gets the focus of a lot of criticism, but it's not like their neighbors are angels either.

    The West has plenty of questionable behavior in terms of human rights as well.
     
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    JOOZ?

    You must have mistaken me for someone who's prepared to entertain such infantile drivel, get lost.
     
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    As opposed to Zionist hypocrites - right ?


    Right - its the Jooz -Poohs in that (*)(*)(*)(*)ty little country created on land stolen from Palestinians .



    We've been over and debunked that B S - many times before now . Non - Jews are treated as second/third class citizens as most Jews living in Israel would admit . Its only lying Hasbarists - deceivers outside Israel who claim that Israel is not a racist Apartheid state ..

    This is for other fair minded readers - NOT for any closed minded - lame brain - Zionist zombies :

    "Israel's Arabs: Second-Class Citizens in Their Own Land"


    Israeli Arabs/Palestinians are the minority that dare not speak their name.


    For decades, the world's attention has dwelt on their Arab brothers and sisters who call themselves Palestinian and who live in the occupied territories or the refugee diaspora around the Middle East. But there is still a large number of Arabs who live as citizens of the Jewish state - approximately 1.4 million or 20 per cent of the overall seven million population - and it is possible to detect rumblings of their discontent.


    In theory, they have exactly the same rights as Jewish Israelis. The Israeli government can point at a declaration of independence and a basic law that officially enshrines equality for all Israeli citizens, no matter their religion

    . But theory and reality rarely tally and you have only to pass through the terminal at Ben Gurion airport to notice how Israel's Arab population are subtly airbrushed out of the way. When the gleaming new building was opened, nobody thought to include signs in Israel's second language, Arabic.

    And when you read the results of Israeli public opinion polls, it is possible to wonder how the Jewish state has any Arab citizens whatsoever. In a recent survey, more than half of those questioned said they believed a Jewish woman marrying an Arab man to be a "betrayal of the country and the Jewish people''. And 50.9 per cent agreed the state should encourage Arab Israelis to leave the country.

    (reading between the lines of other surveys - I think the percentages are much higher )

    No wonder that fans supporting the country's league-leading soccer team, Beitar Jerusalem - the Manchester United of Israel - shout, "We hope you get cancer'' when an Israeli Arab player on the opposition team touches the ball. Beitar fans even threatened a season ticket boycott when the club considered hiring its first Israeli Arab player. While Israeli Arabs are meant to enjoy equal status, it took until this year - 59 years after the state was founded - for the first Israeli Arab Muslim to occupy a seat in cabinet.

    The appointment of Ghaleb Majadla as science minister might have been a moment for celebration among the country's Arab minority, but it also reopened old wounds. You might have expected Right-wing Jewish extremists to be unhappy, but some of the most powerful dissent came from senior Jewish parliamentarians such as Esterina Tartman, who heads the parliamentary bloc of Yisrael Beitenu. This is not a fringe movement: it is a partner in Israel's coalition government. In her view, the appointment of an Israeli Arab minister was a "gigantic axe blow to the tree trunk of Zionism and a Jewish state''.

    Another Right-wing MP demanded that the new minister be subjected to extra security vetting because, unlike a Jewish Israeli, he cannot be assumed to be a trusted guardian of the country's scientific knowledge. Amid such hostility, it was not surprising to hear of Israeli Arab unhappiness at their lot. What was surprising was to hear that this unhappiness might crystallise into the biggest danger to the Jewish state.

    For nearly 60 years, external threats have shaped the history of Israel as they have few other countries. Wars with Egypt, Jordan and Syria, as well as the running sore of relations with the Palestinian Authority, have been the yardstick against which Israelis measure their security. But, according to one MP, the real danger now lies within its borders - and is of its own making.

    "Arab citizens are growing as a proportion of our population, but are increasingly alienated," said Nadia Hilo, Israel's first female Arab MP, who was elected to the Knesset last year. "The discrimination is coming from the civil service and public sector in particular, where Arab Israelis find it much harder to find jobs than Jewish applicants."

    While Israeli Arabs are about one in five of the population, they are projected to become an even bigger minority in the future, as their birth rate outstrips that of Jewish Israelis. Nevertheless, they continue to encounter discrimination in the workplace, despite boasting an impressive number of university graduates.

    "There's a definite problem of racism; there's more and more division," said Miss Hilo. "The real danger to Israel comes from inside if it does not give its Arab citizens equality and integration. This generation won't bow the head and be deferential like our parents were. They are well educated and will not tolerate discrimination."

    Miss Hilo believes positive discrimination is the only way to stop resentment among fellow Arabs spilling over into unrest. She is calling for annual targets to be established, guaranteeing Arabs with the same qualifications as Jews a quota of public sector jobs. Miss Hilo, herself an example of the success Arab Israelis can achieve, emphasises that her campaign is not motivated simply by wanting to right a social wrong.

    "The government doesn't use us to advance Israel, when we could do so much to alter perceptions of our country around the world," she said. The Labour Party MP is candid about her ruling party's priorities, however. "Ministers only think one to two years ahead," she said. "I'm not sure if it will ever happen."

    http://archive.is/tKD77
    or

    http://www.antiwar.com/ips/biedermann.php?articleid=2093

    Discrimination Against Palestinian Arab Children in Israel’s Schools


    HUMAN RIGHTS WATCH

    Source : http://www.hrw.org/reports/2001/israel2/

    SUMMARY

    Nearly one in four of Israel’s 1.6 million schoolchildren are educated in a public school system wholly separate from the majority. The children in this parallel school system are Israeli citizens of Palestinian Arab origin. Their schools are a world apart in quality from the public schools serving Israel’s majority Jewish population. Often overcrowded and understaffed, poorly built, badly maintained, or simply unavailable, schools for Palestinian Arab children offer fewer facilities and educational opportunities than are offered other Israeli children. This report is about Israel’s discrimination against its Palestinian Arab children in guaranteeing the right to education.

    The Israeli government operates two separate school systems, one for Jewish children and one for Palestinian Arab children. Discrimination against Palestinian Arab children colors every aspect of the two systems. Education Ministry authorities have acknowledged that the ministry spends less per student in the Arab system than in the Jewish school system. The majority’s schools also receive additional state and state-sponsored private funding for school construction and special programs through other government agencies. The gap is enormous–on every criterion measured by Israeli authorities.

    The disparities between the two systems examined in this report are identified in part through a review of official statistics. These findings are tested and complemented by the findings of Human Rights Watch’s on-site visits to twenty-six schools in the two systems and our interviews with students, parents, teachers, administrators, and national education authorities.

    Palestinian Arab children attend schools with larger classes and fewer teachers than do those in the Jewish school system, with some children having to travel long distances to reach the nearest school. Arab schools also contrast dramatically with the larger system in their frequent lack of basic learning facilities like libraries, computers, science laboratories, and even recreation space. In no Arab school did we see specialized facilities, such as film editing studios or theater rooms that we saw as a sign of excellence in some of the Jewish schools we visited. Palestinian Arab children with disabilities are particularly marginalized, with special education teachers and facilities often unavailable in the system, despite the highly developed special education programs of the Jewish school system.

    The unavailability of schools for three and four-year-old children in many .... read more here :

    http://mazinx.wordpress.com/discrimination-against-palestinian-arab-children-in-israels-schools/
     
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    Apologies, I misunderstood.
     
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    Sorry , no matter how often you repeat that stale, the only ones who'd swallow would be Jews at your level of intelligence.

    Discrimination Against Palestinian Citizens of Israel
    IMEU, Sep 28, 2011



    RACISM & DISCRIMINATION AGAINST PALESTINIAN CITIZENS OF ISRAEL

    Palestinian citizens of Israel are those Palestinians who remained behind in what became the state of Israel following the Nakba (1947-9), or "catastrophe," when approximately 750,000 Palestinians were expelled from their homes and land by Zionist forces in order to make way for a Jewish-majority state.

    Between 1948 (when Israel declared independence) and 1966, Palestinians living in Israel were granted no political rights and were subject to Israeli military rule. After 1966, they were granted the right to vote and other civil rights, but to this day they continue to suffer from widespread, systematic and institutionalized discrimination affecting everything from land ownership and employment opportunities to family reunification rights. Today, there are approximately 1.2 million Palestinian citizens of Israel, about 20% of the population.



    Institutionalized discrimination
    •There are more than 30 laws that discriminate against Palestinian citizens of Israel. directly or indirectly, based solely on their ethnicity, rendering them second or third class citizens in their own homeland.

    •93% of the land in Israel is owned either by the state or by quasi-governmental agencies, such as the Jewish National Fund, that discriminate against non-Jews. Palestinian citizens of Israel face significant legal obstacles in gaining access to this land for agriculture, residence, or commercial development.

    •More than seventy Palestinian villages and communities in Israel, some of which pre-date the establishment of the state, are unrecognized by the government, receive no services, and are not even listed on official maps. Many other towns with a majority Palestinian population lack basic services and receive significantly less government funding than do majority-Jewish towns.

    •Since Israel's founding in 1948, more than 600 Jewish municipalities have been established, while not a single new Arab town or community has been recognized by the state.

    •Israeli government resources are disproportionately directed to Jews and not to Arabs, one factor in causing the Palestinians of Israel to suffer the lowest living standards in Israeli society by all socio-economic indicators.

    •Government funding for Arab schools is far below that of Jewish schools. According to data published in 2004, the government provides three times as much funding to Jewish students than it does to Arab students.

    •According to the 2009 US State Department International Religious Freedom Report, “Many of the national and municipal policies in Jerusalem were designed to limit or diminish the non-Jewish population of Jerusalem

    •In the Spring of 2011, Jerusalem city councilman Yakir Segev stated: “We will not allow residents of the eastern [occupied Palestinian] part of the city to build as much as they need... At the end of the day, however politically incorrect it may be to say, we will also look at the demographic situation in Jerusalem to make sure that in another 20 years we don't wake up in an Arab city.”

    •The Nationality and Entry into Israel Law prevents Palestinians from the occupied territories who are married to Palestinian citizens of Israel from gaining residency or citizenship status. The law forces thousands of Palestinian citizens of Israel to either leave Israel or live apart from their families.

    •In October 2010, the Knesset approved a bill allowing smaller Israeli towns to reject residents who do not suit "the community's fundamental outlook", based on sex, religion, and socioeconomic status. Critics slammed the move as an attempt to allow Jewish towns to keep Arabs and other non-Jews out.

    •The so-called "Nakba Bill" bans state funding for groups that commemorate the tragedy that befell Palestinians during Israel's creation in 1948, when approx. 750,000 Palestinian Arabs were ethnically cleansed to make way for a Jewish majority state.

    •The British Mandate-era Land (Acquisition for Public Purposes) Ordinance law allows the Finance Minster to confiscate land for "public purposes.” The state has used this law extensively, in conjunction with other laws such as the Land Acquisition Law and the Absentees' Property Law, to confiscate Palestinian land in Israel. A new amendment, which was adopted in February 2010, confirms state ownership of land confiscated under this law, even where it has not been used to serve the original confiscation purpose. The amendment was designed to prevent Arab citizens from submitting lawsuits to reclaim confiscated land.

    •Over the entirety of its 63-year existence, there has been a period of only about one year (1966-1967) that Israel did not rule over large numbers of Palestinians to whom it granted no political rights.

    •Former Israeli prime ministers Ehud Barak and Ehud Olmert have both warned that a continuation of the occupation will lead to Israel becoming an "apartheid" state. Barak stated: "As long as in this territory west of the Jordan river there is only one political entity called Israel it is going to be either non-Jewish, or non-democratic… If this bloc of millions of Palestinians cannot vote, that will be an apartheid state."[/B]

    •Archbishop Desmond Tutu and Nelson Mandela, heroes of the struggle against apartheid in South Africa, have both compared Israel's treatment of Palestinians to apartheid.

    •Today, there is a virtual caste system within the territories that Israel controls between the Jordan River and Mediterranean Sea, with Israeli Jews at the top and Muslim and Christian Palestinians in the occupied territories at the bottom. In between are Palestinians with Israeli citizenship and Palestinian residents of occupied East Jerusalem.



    Increasing intolerance for dissent & diversity in Israel
    •In September 2011 a survey found that a third of Israeli Jews don’t consider Arab citizens to be real Israelis.

    •According to a February 2011 survey, 52% of Israeli Jews would be willing to limit press freedoms to protect the state's image, while 55% would accept limits on the right to oppose the government's "defense policy.”

    •Also in September 2011, Dov Lior, the chief rabbi of settlements in Hebron and Kiryat Arba, told a conference that Arabs are “wolves,” “savages,” and “evil camel riders.”

    •A poll done by the Israel Democracy Institute and released in January 2011 found that nearly half of Israeli Jews don't want to live next door to an Arab.

    •In January 2011 the Yedioth Ahronoth newspaper reported that civics teachers around the country were complaining of rampant, virulent anti-Arab racism amongst their Jewish students. One teacher said, "When we have a discussion in class about equal rights, the class immediately gets out of control… The students attack us, the teachers, for being leftist and anti-Semitic, and say that all the Arab citizens who want to destroy Israel should be transferred." Another said: "We're not talking about a minority, or children from families that have extreme political views, but about normal children who are afflicted with ignorance… The political discourse in recent years has given them the legitimacy to be prejudiced."

    •In November 2010 the chief rabbi of the town of Safed, Shmuel Eliyahu, issued a ruling forbidding Jews from renting property to Arabs. Eliyahu had previously advocated hanging the children of terrorists.

    •In December 2010, dozens of municipal chief rabbis on the government payroll signed a letter supporting Eliyahu and his decree prohibiting Jews from renting property to non-Jews. One of the signatories, Rabbi Yosef Scheinen, head of the Ashdod Yeshiva (religious school), stated, "Racism originated in the Torah… The land of Israel is designated for the people of Israel."

    •In December 2010, the wives of 30 prominent rabbis signed an open letter calling on Jewish women not to date or work with Arabs. The letter stated: "For your sake, for the sake of future generations, and so you don't undergo horrible suffering, we turn to you with a request, a plea, a prayer. Don't date non-Jews, don't work at places that non-Jews frequent, and don't do national service with non-Jews.”

    •According to a September 2010 poll, half of Israeli Jewish students don't want Arabs in their classrooms, while an earlier survey found about the same number oppose equal rights for Arabs.
    •In September 2010, the spiritual leader of the Shas party (which sits in PM Benjamin Netanyahu’s coalition government), Rabbi Ovadia Yosef, declared that non-Jews were created to “serve” Jews, stating that: "Goyim [non-Jews] were born only to serve us. Without that, they have no place in the world - only to serve the People of Israel... Why are gentiles needed? They will work, they will plow, they will reap. We will sit like an effendi and eat. That is why gentiles were created.”

    •In August 2010, on the eve of peace talks in Washington, Yosef delivered a sermon describing Palestinians as "evil, bitter enemies" and calling on god to make them "perish from this world" by striking them with a plague.

    •In 2001, Yosef, delivered a sermon in which he stated: "It is forbidden to be merciful to [Arabs]. You must send missiles to them and annihilate them. They are evil and damnable…The Lord shall return the Arabs' deeds on their own heads, waste their seed and exterminate them, devastate them and vanish them from this world.”

    •In August 2010, Rabbi Yitzhak Shapira, head of a state-funded religious school in the West Bank settlement of Yitzhar, published a book that condoned the murder of non-Jewish children on the grounds that they may grow up to pose a threat to the state, writing that non-Jews are "uncompassionate by nature" and attacks against them "curb their evil inclination.” Several other prominent rabbis subsequently endorsed the book.

    •In July, 2009, Israel's Housing Minister, Ariel Atlas, warned against the "spread" of Israel's Arab population and said that Arabs and Jews shouldn't live together, stating: "if we go on like we have until now, we will lose the Galilee. Populations that should not mix are spreading there. I don't think that it is appropriate for [Jews and Arabs] to live together."

    •In the aftermath of Operation Cast Lead, Israel's devastating three-week military assault against Gaza that killed more than 1300 Palestinians in the winter of 2008-9, the Israeli daily Haaretz reported that Israeli army units had been printing t-shirts depicting disturbing, violent images such as dead Palestinian babies, Palestinian mothers weeping on their children's graves, a gun aimed at a child, bombed-out mosques, and a pregnant Palestinian woman with a target superimposed on her belly and the caption, “1 shot, 2 kills”. Another showed a Palestinian baby, growing into a boy and then an armed adult, with the inscription, “No matter how it begins, we'll put an end to it."

    http://imeu.net/news/article0021536.shtml

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    I fear that you're pissing into the wind with these puerile people. Their sole raison d'etre is to push pro-Israeli propaganda, deny any Israeli wrongdoing, call you a Nazi if you dare crticise Israel and vilify Arabs. That's all they do. Frankly they're a waste of bandwidth to respond to.
     
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    That's a fact Jack.


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    Islam will rule Sweden in 2050.
    Maybe you will not be here to see that, but it will happen !!!
     
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    Let's boycott CHINE !!!! 95% OF THE PRODUCTS ARE MADE TODAY IN CHINE.
    Boycotting Chinese products as a protest over the gradual theft of Tibet from it's remaining Tibets !!
    Dare you chickens !!!
     
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    :roflol: A blog, neo Nazi hate site and Wiki article on the persecution of ethnic Germans is the best you can do to support your shtick that attampts to refute the confessions of Commanders of Germany's concentration camp system?

    Anyhow, still waiting for the "well documented proof" that the Nazi Leadership were tortured to get their confessions that they systematically killed Jews. So far you have used hate sites and blogs to show that German POWs were sometime beaten up but nothing about the higher echelon officers who confessed having been tortured for those confessions.
     
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    I didn't only meant Israel , mark everything then .
     
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    I'm not repeating myself - I gave it to you but you apparently lack comprehension. Go back on my posts .

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    In which case , neither will you +most here be around to see that the prediction was made by a right Pr@~...:roll:

    I 'd suggest that you to leave long range prophesies to Prophets.:roll:
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    No actually they didn't steal anything, the majority of land partitioned to the state of Israel was either owned outright by Jews or was British Crown land, the Arabs dwelling within the mandate were landless immigrant farmers.


    Once again Arab-Israelis have full and equal rights under the law nothing in your sources "debunks" that unequivocal fact, moreover Arab citizens of Israel have higher standards of living in Israel than Arabs have in any Arab majority country, those are the facts. There are many liberal democracies in which the minority populations suffer from discrimination but unless that discrimination comes at the hands of the state then it is complete BS to claim that they are an apartheid state or a racist state. By your standards the United Kingdom is an apartheid state as well due to the fact that Muslims have higher poverty levels and less education than non-Muslims:




    Muslims households were the least likely to be homeowners (52%) and are the most likely among all religious groups to be living in accommodation rented from the council or housing association (28%); 4% live rent-free.

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    32% of Muslim households live in overcrowded accommodation. Average family size for a Muslim family is 3.8, which can contribute to overcrowding. 34% of Muslim households contained more than five people. 63% contained at least one dependent child, and 25% contained three or more dependent children.

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    Unemployment rates were higher for Muslims than any other religion, for both men and women. Muslim male unemployment rate was 13% in 2004, and for women it was 18%.

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    Muslims between the ages of 16 and 24 had the highest unemployment rates at 28%; 11% of Muslims over the age of 25 were unemployed.


    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wik...04838/UK-MUSLIM-DEMOGRAPHICS-C-RE8-02527.html

    The report revealed Muslims were more likely than any other faith group to be jobless and living in poor conditions.

    It said 14% of Muslims aged over 25 were unemployed, compared with the national unemployment rate of 4%.

    University researchers in Birmingham, Derby, Oxford and Warwick also found Muslims had poorer levels of education.

    The study, commissioned to review the prospects of faith communities in England, also said Muslims were more vulnerable to long-term illness.

    And one in three lived in the most deprived areas of England.

    'Multiple deprivation'

    "Taking the Muslim population as a whole, they face some of the most acute conditions of multiple deprivation," the report said.

    John Prescott's former department, the Office of the Deputy Prime Minister (ODPM), commissioned the academics to review data on the Hindu, Sikh and Muslim communities.

    As well as highlighting the disadvantages suffered, the report found members of these communities were likely to remain concentrated in the same areas.

    This was because families wanted to stay close together and many prefer to live near to their places of worship.

    Researchers reviewed a variety of data, including information from the 2001 national census.

    The government will use the study in its work to encourage equal opportunities for members of all religious communities, a spokeswoman said.


    http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/4771233.stm

    But the extent of Muslims' deprivation was the key finding from the ONS data, with implications for community relations.

    In 2003/4 Muslims had the highest unemployment rate. Among men it was 14%, compared with 4% among Christians. For women it was 15%, almost four times the rate among Christians. Muslims aged 16 to 24 had the highest unemployment rates of all at 22%, compared with an average for Christians of 11%.

    The health of the Muslim population was particularly poor. Among men, 13% said they were in "not good" health, about double the percentage for Christians and Jews. Among women the figure was 16%.

    After adjusting for the different ages of the religious groups, Muslims also had the highest rates of disability: 24% for women and 21% for men.

    Muslims had the lowest level of educational qualifications, with 31% of men of working age having none, compared with 23% of Sikhs and 15% of Christians. But Sikhs were as likely as Christians to have degrees (16% in each group in 2003/4.)


    http://www.theguardian.com/society/2004/oct/12/religion.news



    There have been cases of threats,[103] one alleged fatal attack,[104] and non-fatal attacks on Muslims and on Muslim targets, including attacks on Muslim graves[105] and mosques.[106] In January 2010, a report from the University of Exeter's European Muslim Research Centre noted that the number of anti-Muslim hate crimes has increased, ranging from "death threats and murder to persistent low-level assaults, such as spitting and name-calling," for which the media and politicians have been blamed with fueling anti-Muslim hatred.[107][108][109]

    The British media has been criticised for propagating negative stereotypes of Muslims and fueling anti-Muslim prejudice.[110] In 2006, British cabinet ministers were criticised for helping to "unleash a public anti-Muslim backlash" by blaming the Muslim community over issues of integration despite a study commissioned by the Home Office on white and Asian-Muslim youths demonstrating otherwise: that Asian-Muslim youths "are in fact the most tolerant of all" and that white British youths "have far more intolerant attitudes," concluding that intolerance from the white British community was a greater "barrier to integration."[111][112] Another survey by Gallup in 2009 also found that the Muslim community feels more patriotic about Britain than the general British population,[113][114] while another survey found that Muslims assert that they support the role of Christianity in British life more so than Christians themselves.[115] In January 2010, the British Social Attitudes Survey found that the general British public "is far more likely to hold negative views of Muslims than of any other religious group," with "just one in four" feeling "positively about Islam," and a "majority of the country would be concerned if a mosque was built in their area, while only 15 per cent expressed similar qualms about the opening of a church."[116] The "scapegoating" of Muslims by the media and politicians in the 21st century has been compared in the media to the rise of antisemitism in the early 20th century.[117]


    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islam_in_the_United_Kingdom#Discrimination
     
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    So says Jewish ADL see the references in wiki . Surprise -Surprise including other Zionists who cant resist slurring all those who don't buy their crap - as "Jew hating "Neo-Nazis - Anti-semites " :roll: LOL -

    The facts About IHR :

    The Institute for Historical Review is an independent educational research and publishing center that works to promote peace, understanding and justice through greater public awareness of the past, and especially socially-politically relevant aspects of twentieth-century history. We strive in particular to increase understanding of the causes, nature and consequences of war and conflict. We vigorously defend freedom of speech and freedom of historical inquiry.


    Through books, booklets, leaflets, audio and video discs, broadcast interviews, meetings, conferences, mailings, websites and e-mail, we work to provide factual information and sound perspective on US foreign policy, World War Two, the Israel-Palestine conflict, Middle East history, the Jewish-Zionist role in cultural and political life, the "Holocaust" remembrance campaign, war propaganda, and much more.


    The Institute's director is Mark Weber, a historian, lecturer, current affairs analyst and author. Born and raised in Portland, Oregon, he was educated in the US and Europe. He holds a Master's degree in modern European history from Indiana University.


    The IHR continues the tradition of historical revisionism pioneered by distinguished historians such as Harry Elmer Barnes, A.J.P. Taylor, Charles Tansill, Paul Rassinier and William H. Chamberlin. It strives, in the words of Barnes, to "bring history into accord with the facts."



    Founded in 1978, the IHR is non-partisan, non-ideological, and non-sectarian. Our offices are located in Orange County, southern California.=====

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    Outreach and Impact

    The Institute's website - www.ihr.org -- routinely reaches large numbers of visitors across the US and around the world. It attracts many more visitors than the sites of much larger and better funded organizations. The site is regularly updated with news and comment items from around the world, and with reports on the Institute's work. With its large library and archive, the site also serves as a valuable information and education center.
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    IHR _
    A Target of Bigotry


    Predictably, we have come under fire from hostile sectarian groups that regard the IHR as harmful to their interests. Zionist groups such as the Simon Wiesenthal Center and the Anti-Defamation League routinely smear the IHR, attacking us as a "hate group" or dismissing us as a "Holocaust denial" organization.


    In fact, the IHR steadfastly opposes bigotry of all kinds. We are proud of the support we have earned from people of the most diverse political views, and racial, ethnic and religious backgrounds.

    The IHR does not “deny” the Holocaust

    The IHR does not “deny” the Holocaust. Indeed, the IHR as such has no “position” on any specific event or chapter of history, except to promote greater awareness and understanding, and to encourage more objective investigation.Articles and reviews posted on the IHR website, and presentations given at IHR meetings and conferences, represent a wide range of views. Each writer is responsible for what he or she writes or says. Accordingly, the IHR does not necessarily agree with the content or outlook of posted or distributed items.

    One prominent American journalist and author who has looked into the critical claims made about the IHR is John Sack, who is Jewish. He reported on a three-day IHR conference in an article published in the Feb. 2001 issue of Esquire magazine. He rejected as unfounded the often-repeated lie that the IHR and its supporters are "haters" or bigots. He described those who spoke at and attended the IHR conference as "affable, open-minded, intelligent [and] intellectual."


    Joseph Sobran, who for years was a nationally syndicated columnist and a National Review senior editor, spoke about the Institute and its director at the 2002 IHR Conference:

    "...If I'm 'courageous,' what do you call Mark Weber and the Institute for Historical Review?

    They have been smeared far worse than I have; moreover, they have been seriously threatened with death.

    Their offices have been firebombed. Do they at least get credit for courage? Not at all. They remain almost universally vilified. When I met Mark, many years ago, I expected to meet a raving Jew-hating fanatic, such being the generic reputation of 'Holocaust deniers.' I was immediately and subsequently impressed to find that he was just the opposite: a mild-mannered, good-humored, witty, scholarly man who habitually spoke with restraint and measure, even about enemies who would love to see him dead.
    The same is true of other members of the Institute. In my many years of acquaintance with them, I have never heard any of them say anything that would strike an unprejudiced listener as unreasonable or bigoted."

    The Institute has been a target of authentic hate groups. It has come under repeated assault from the Jewish Defense League -- identified as a terrorist group by the FBI.

    On July 4, 1984, the JDL destroyed the Institute's office and warehouse in a major arson attack. Estimated property loss was more than $400,000, including tens of thousands of books, rare documents, irreplaceable files and expensive office equipment. This fire-bombing climaxed a months-long campaign by the JDL that included numerous death threats by telephone and mail, extensive property damage, five relatively minor fire bombings, one drive-by shooting and two physical assaults.


    For Peace And Understanding

    Bitter experience has taught people to be skeptical of the pronouncements of politicians and governments, especially during wartime when official and semi-official propagandists are most busy deceiving the public. As American historian Harry Elmer Barnes put it: "Truth is always the first war casualty. The emotional disturbances and distortions in historical writing are greatest in wartime."


    Americans have been misled into one costly, destructive and needless war after another. For example, in the months leading up to the 2003 US attack against Iraq, government officials and much of the media deceived the public to justify the invasion and occupation of that country.


    Powerful interests -- including politicians and the major media -- often distort the historical record for self-serving reasons. Textbooks, motion pictures and television routinely present history in a slanted and partisan way. As George Orwell aptly noted in his classic Nineteen Eighty-Four: "Who controls the past controls the future. Who controls the present controls the past."


    An awareness of factual history is essential to an understanding of the great issues of our age. Especially during these troubled times, the work of the IHR in countering socially harmful historical lies, war propaganda, censorship and intellectual oppression is urgently

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    IHR Does'nt sound like neo-Nazis to me , but as I've said - ZioNazis would invariably attempt to slander/smear anyone who expose their lies + skulduggery , as neo-Nazis /racist antisemites .




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    Thx see my #393 .

    cheers.
     
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    Still waiting for a single statute which discriminates against Arab citizens of Israel because your article does not provide one as per usual. Your assertion that racism amongst the general citizenry equates to a racist state is (*)(*)(*)(*)ing laughable, posting quotes from radical Rabbis proves absolutely nothing regarding the pluralistic nature of Israeli society as a whole, there is racism in every single country on the planet including your own.

    Provide these statutes please.

    This is just false it is the Israeli Land Administration which determines land leases in Israel, it is they who manage 93% of the land in Israel and they do not discriminate against leasing land to Arabs the Jewish National Fund is not a government agency they are a private organization and as such have the right to determine who they want to sell their land to.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israel_Land_Administration

    There are only appx. 150 community villages in Israel, most are rural and low in population (as few as 30 people in some cases), and the amount of land allocated to them by the state is small, and there is absolutely no reason why Arabs could not start their own villages as well:


    Community settlements are predominantly rural and exurban. As explained above, the land of most community settlements is owned by the Israel Land Administration; One of this organization's explicit goals is to populate Israel's peripheral areas, rather than have the population continue to gravitate toward its central Gush Dan area.

    Houses in Community settlements are predominantly, if not exclusively, single-family homes and not apartment buildings. One explanation for this is, again, the desire to spread-out the population. Another explanation is that the availability of affordable single-family houses is actually one the main attraction points of the new towns, which would otherwise not be very appealing to potential residents. Finally, building an apartment building is a much more complex financial enterprise for the cooperative than each family building its own home out of its own funds.

    Community settlements are predominantly small, with a few hundreds of residents. This is caused by a combination of the town's young age, the typically small area or land allocated to the town, and the desire to build only single-family houses. Many community settlements start out small, with only few dozen families, and over the years slowly grow and accept new families.
    Residents of community settlements are typically very involved in their community. They know their neighbors well, they volunteer for various committees which run the town and its facilities, and they often meet together for various events and celebrations. A genuine feeling of community is often felt in these settlements, which is why that word was chosen to describe this form of settlement. The strong sense of community is of course made possible by the small size of the towns, and also by favoring applicants who seek strong community ties over applicants who seek to live within their own four walls without ever seeing a neighbor.

    Although Jews constitute about 75% of Israel's general population, communal settlements are almost entirely Jewish. Some community settlements openly require applicants to be Jews (e.g., by declaring themselves a religious community), while other community settlements find more indirect ways to reject non-Jewish candidates, usually claiming "lack of social compatibility". Another problem for non-Jews is that the Jewish National Fund, the owner of the land in many community settlements, views itself as a Jewish organization whose mission is to spread the Jewish population, and therefore refuses to lease to non-Jews. See more in "Controversy" below.

    Today, most community settlements are gated communities, i.e., are enclosed in a fence and a gate which allow only residents (or their visitors) to enter. The reason stated for installing these is usually to deter thieves. Enclosing the entire town is practical because of the small size of its population, and the relatively controlled nature of its permanent population.


    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Community_settlement_(Israel)

    Another blatant lie easily demonstrated as such by examples; such as, Kfar Kama which was recognized in 1950, now correct me if I'm wrong but 1950 comes after 1948 right?

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kfar_Kama

    Or we can look at Tuba-Zangariyye which was recognized in 1988:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tuba-Zangariyye

    Then we have Deir al-Asad which was recognized in 2011 after Shaghur (which was recognized in 2005) was dissolved:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deir_al-Asad

    Israel has the right as a sovereign state to allow whomever they want to become citizens, that does not discriminate against Israeli citizens in any way. Again by your standard the United Kingdom must be an apartheid state due to the fact that I am not automatically entitled to become a British citizen by marrying a British citizen!

    Then send them to state schools, the Israeli school system is not segregated and Arabs only go to Arab Schools because they choose to.
     
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    You tried to deny the illegality of territory occupied by force and the continue illegal construction of Jewish colonies on Palestinian lands, a few time before which I and several other posters - DEBUNKED.
    No other country in the world , including USA , consider Israel's occupation as legitimate.

    "The US has joined criticism of Israel's decision to accelerate settlement building in the West Bank and East Jerusalem after Palestinians joined UN cultural agency, Unesco.

    White House spokesman Jay Carney said the US was "deeply disappointed".

    Earlier, the EU said it was "deeply concerned" by the announcement. The UK, France and Germany said it would hinder efforts for peace.

    Israeli PM Benjamin Netanyahu said it was a "basic right of our people".

    'Unjustifiable'

    Mr Carney told a White House briefing that Israel's decision did not help bring peace talks any nearer.

    "Unilateral actions work against efforts to resume direct negotiations, and they do not advance the goal of a reasonable and necessary agreement between the two parties," Mr Carney said.

    "That is the only way to achieve the two-state solution that both sides have as their goal."

    EU policy chief Catherine Ashton urged Israel to reverse the decision and called on both sides to return to the negotiating table.

    "Israeli settlement activity is illegal under international law including in East Jerusalem and an obstacle to peace. We have stated this many times before," she said.

    British Foreign Secretary William Hague called the Israeli move "provocative and unhelpful".

    "This settlement building programme is illegal under international law and is the latest in a series of provocative and unhelpful settlement announcements," Mr Hague said in a statement.

    He also criticised Israel's temporary withholding of Palestinian tax revenues, which was announced at the same time, and called for a reversal of both decisions.

    French foreign ministry spokesman Bernard Valero said the proposed settlement building "is illegal in international law and is a threat to the two-state solution".

    Continue reading the main story
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    We are building in Jerusalem because it is our right and our duty to this generation and future generations”
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    Benjamin Netanyahu

    Israeli Prime Minister

    Steffen Seibert, German Chancellor Angela Merkel's spokesman, said building settlements in occupied areas "hinders the goal we all must have of a two-state solution and is unjustifiable".

    UN Secretary General Ban Ki-moon also said he was "deeply concerned" by the development.

    "The secretary general calls on the government of Israel to freeze all settlement activity and to continue to transfer VAT and customs revenues that belong to the Palestinian Authority and are essential to enable it to function, in line with Israel's obligations," his spokesman Martin Nesirky said


    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-15556801

    That was 2nd Nov 2 011 -

    Yesterday Tricky Bibi was forced to partially back down ./ a tacit admission of Israel's criminality.

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    Spare us Marlowe, Marx Weber was a member of the National Alliance he is a neo-Nazi:

    Mark Edward Weber (born October 9, 1951) is the director of the Institute for Historical Review,[1] an American Holocaust denial[2] organization based in southern California.

    Weber has been associated with the IHR since the 1980s. In 1992 he became editor-in-chief of the IHR's Journal of Historical Review. Weber was subsequently named the institute's Director in 1995.[3]

    Weber was born in Portland, Oregon in 1951. After graduating from Jesuit High School in 1969, he studied history in Chicago at the University of Illinois.[1] He continued his studies for two semesters at the University of Munich, and, returning to Oregon, took a B.A. degree in history with high honors from Portland State University. In graduate school, he continued his study of history at Indiana University, receiving an M.A. degree in modern European history in 1977.[4] Beginning in 1978 Weber became involved with the National Alliance, a far-right white supremacist organization. In 1979 Weber served as the editor of the group's magazine, the National Vanguard. Throughout the 80s Weber functioned as the treasurer of the National Alliance's Cosmotheist Church. During this period Weber became more heavily involved with the IHR as well as collaborating with Bradley Smith and the Committee for Open Debate on the Holocaust (CODOH).[5]


    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mark_Weber


    The National Alliance was a white nationalist, anti-semitic[1][2] and white separatist[3][4] political organization. It was founded by university physics professor Dr. William Luther Pierce in 1974, and was based in Hillsboro, West Virginia. The group ceased operations, as a "membership organization," in 2013.[5]

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Alliance_(United_States)


    William Luther Pierce III (September 11, 1933 – July 23, 2002) was an American physicist, author and activist, who was a professor of physics at Oregon State University, author under the pseudonym Andrew Macdonald of the novels The Turner Diaries and Hunter, founder of the National Alliance and one the most prominent white nationalists in the United States for some three decades until his death.

    In 1966, moved to the Washington D.C. and became an associate of George Lincoln Rockwell, founder of the American Nazi Party. During this time he was the editor of the party's ideological journal, National Socialist World. When Rockwell was assassinated in 1967, Pierce became one of the leading members of the National Socialist White People's Party, the successor to the ANP. In 1968, Pierce left the NSWPP and joined Youth for Wallace, an organization supporting former Governor of Alabama George Wallace's bid for the presidency.[16] In 1970, along with Willis Carto, he reconfigured Youth for Wallace into the National Youth Alliance. By 1971, Pierce and Carto were openly feuding. Ongoing disagreements caused the NYA to split, and by 1974 Pierce's wing became known as the National Alliance.[15]


    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Luther_Pierce
    Complete and total bull(*)(*)(*)(*):

    Holocaust denial

    Although the Institute for Historical Review comments on a variety of subjects, it is most noted (and criticized) for its Holocaust denial.[3] Critics have accused the Institute of antisemitism and having links to neo-Nazi organizations, and assert that its primary focus is denying key facts of Nazism and the genocide of Jews and others.[4][5][6]

    The United Kingdom's Channel 4 describes the IHR as a "pseudo-academic body based in the United States which is dedicated to denying that the Holocaust happened,"[7] while the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette called the IHR a "blatantly anti-Semitic assortment of pseudo-scholars".[20] The Daily Star, the leading English language paper in Lebanon, in response to a planned IHR meeting in the country called the IHR "loathsome pseudo-historians" and an "international hate group," and reported "as one former PLO official has put it, 'with friends like that, we don't need enemies'."[21]

    The IHR has insisted that they do not deny the Holocaust, claiming that, "The Institute does not 'deny the Holocaust.' Every responsible scholar of twentieth century history acknowledges the great catastrophe that befell European Jewry during World War II. All the same, the IHR has over the years published detailed books and numerous probing essays that call into question aspects of the orthodox Holocaust extermination story, and highlight specific Holocaust exaggerations and falsehoods."[22] On the IHR website Barbara Kulaszka defends the distinction between denial and revisionism by arguing that considerable revisions have been made over the years by historians and concludes:

    For purposes of their own, powerful special interest groups desperately seek to keep substantive discussion of the Holocaust story taboo. One of the ways they do this is by purposely mischaracterizing revisionist scholars as 'deniers.'[23]

    Commentators have argued, however, that the avowals by the IHR that they do not deny the Holocaust are misleading. Paul Rauber writes that:

    The question [of whether the IHR denies the Holocaust] appears to turn on IHR's Humpty-Dumpty word game with the word Holocaust. According to Mark Weber, associate editor of the IHR's Journal of Historical Review [now Director of the IHR], "If by the 'Holocaust' you mean the political persecution of Jews, some scattered killings, if you mean a cruel thing that happened, no one denies that. But if one says that the 'Holocaust' means the systematic extermination of six to eight million Jews in concentration camps, that's what we think there's not evidence for." That is, IHR doesn't deny that the Holocaust happened; they just deny that the word 'Holocaust' means what people customarily use it for.[24]

    According to British historian of Germany Richard J. Evans:

    Like many individual Holocaust deniers, the Institute as a body denied that it was involved in Holocaust denial. It called this a 'smear' which was 'completely at variance with the facts' because 'revisionist scholars' such as Faurisson, Butz 'and bestselling British historian David Irving acknowledge that hundreds of thousands of Jews were killed and otherwise perished during the Second World War as a direct and indirect result of the harsh anti-Jewish policies of Germany and its allies'. But the concession that a relatively small number of Jews were killed was routinely used by Holocaust deniers to distract attention from the far more important fact of their refusal to admit that the figure ran into the millions, and that a large proportion of these victims were systematically murdered by gassing as well as by shooting.[25]


    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Institute_for_Historical_Review#Holocaust_denial

    Redefining what the term "holocaust" means from the systematic extermination of European Jewry to simply persecution of the Jews and then saying you don't deny the holocaust is laughable on its face.

    Sir you are a holocaust denier yourself, the views expressed by you on this forum in numerous posts are proof positive of your own overt anti-Semitism, Mark Weber was a member of the National Alliance an overtly neo-Nazi organization, and the IHR overtly denies the holocaust in that they deny that the Nazi's systematically exterminated between 5 and 6 million Jews, the BNF founded the IHR and it is still run by neo-Nazi's to this day, the propaganda put forth by the IHR in denial of its own denial does nothing to disprove these unequivocal facts.

    History

    The IHR was founded in 1978 by David McCalden (also known as Lewis Brandon), a former member of the British National Front, and Willis Carto, the head of the now-defunct Liberty Lobby. Liberty Lobby was an antisemitic organization best known for publishing The Spotlight, now reorganized as the American Free Press. Dave McCalden left the IHR in 1981. Tom Marcellus became its director, and Carto lost control of it in 1993, in an internal power struggle. Since 1995, the director of the IHR has been Mark Weber,[11] who previously worked with the white supremacist National Alliance.



    You and your sources have long been exposed all over this forum Marlowe.
     
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    Yup , but that's what one would expect from ZioNasties and their lackeys , WOT ? .

    Repeat :


    Look in a mirror - you + your sources can hardly be described as fair minded - unbiased, unprejudiced : - can it ?


    I say as I find and you can make of it whatever you so wish to :

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    What you the likes of you think of me. (wink)
     
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    Marlowe you were clearly referencing Israel proper not the disputed territories in this quote:

    So you haven't debunked (*)(*)(*)(*) especially considering that Israel didn't steal the West Bank from the Palestinians as at the time it was Jordanian territory.
     
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    LOLOLOL.. The British Crown didn't own any land in Palestine..
     

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