Israeli official calls for concentration camps in Gaza

Wow, you really are foolish.

Youve just accused me of admitting to support war crimes, while actually confirming your support of ethnic cleansing and settlements.

Try not to get over your head, your Hasbara nonsense isnt taken seriously here by anyone regularly on these threads.

And when you have a point to make, just make it - dont bother accusing other people of things, just ask me what I think and Ill tell you.

 

I never said a word in support of ethnic cleansing or settlements, you assumed my support and admitted that you supported Hamas war crimes and terror just as strongly as you assumed I was supporting ethnic cleansing.

Your assumption about me was false, you can't read my mind, your admission of your support for Hamas terror and crimes against humanity is certainly sincere, you know very well what is on your mind.

 

LOL, Hamas have no targetting capability in their long range weapons. Israelis do.

And the seige is intended to punish the Gazan population for supporting Hamas.

 

Palestinian terrorism is real, the ethnic cleasing is another fallacy and falsehood. 20% of Israel's population are arabs....What a funny "cleasing".! 77% israeli arabs would even live nowhere else than in Israel... What a funny "ethnic" cleasing! Of course, in the "evil" Israel the Arabs have equal rights under the law, in the "evil" Israel, Arabs can vote for whoever they want, in the "evil" Israel, arabs can worship freely, in the "evil" Israel, the arabs are entitled to the full same state education as all other Israelis.. in the "evil" and "demonic" Israel, arabs...are members of the Israeli parliament and ministers in the government... in fact, the "evil" Israel gives more opportunity to Arabs than do Arab states to their own citizens.. Did you know that 10% in the Knesset are arabs deputies...there is a mosque in the Knesset building for those who are Muslim. I would like to see a Synagogue in Saudi Arabia, Jordan, Iran, Egypt etc etc.
In the "evil" Israel, many arabs are businessmen, entrepreneurs, artists, working in the mass media, they are judges, members of the government, officials etc etc ..in Sport. yes, in the "evil" Israel, arabs are sport women and men..

The Maccabiah belongs not only to all the Jews, but also to all the Israelis, and I am a proud Israeli (Who said this is an Arab)

An Israeli Arab teenage girl from the town of Sakhnin became one of the first medalists in this year's Maccabiah Games with a victory in the women's 200-meter breastroke in the Wingate Institute pool, causing a wave of pride in her father, family and community. Halaj Shahada, proud father of Asala, 17, said there would be celebrations in Sakhnin following her gold medal win.

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3111132,00.html

Do you know Rana Raslan? She´s Miss Israel and She is Arab... How different her life would have been born in Iran or Egypt!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rana_Raslan

Tell me one country.. one arabs country where arabs have more rights than in Israel... don´t waste.. None.

How can people be so cynical to speak of ethnic cleansing!

 

No ethnic cleansing? No ethnic cleansing?

What percentage of people in these cities were arab before 1948?

What happened to over 400 Arab villages?

Whats happening right now in East Jerusalem to non Israelis?

What happened to Palestinian farms in the west bank on which the wall was built or settlers arrived?

 

Your support for settlements and ethnic cleansing is enshrined in all of your beliefs and statements. You support the Israeli taking of every bit of land before and since 1948. Youve supported just about every action Israelis have taken and condemn any act of resistance against them as much worse than the act they resist. My assumptions are not worse than your assumptions about me.

If you dont like me making assumptions about you then dont make them about me - just ask, Ill always tell you.

 

Seems they have pretty good targeting capability as the bulk of their terrorist weapons are not landing in Gaza but rather the Israeli civilian areas.

Hamas: All Israelis now targets for missile attacks

 

No nonsense about facts and history.
Hamas that was voted by Gazans running with a clear and open agenda to destroy Israel.
The USA and Israel are ready to recognize Palestinian coalition government that include Hamas as long as Hamas renounce terrorism and rescind their main agenda calling for the destruction of Israel. Hamas refused to do that and the coalition failed because of Hamas terrorist policies.
The Likud Party unlike Hamas are open to negotiation.
Israel has no problem with a legitimate Palestinian State as long as that state is not a terrorist State that is why Israel have good relationship with the West Bank unfortunately the West Bank government are not able to stop Hamas. If Israel is not standing between West Bank and Gaza the West Bank would have fallen into Hamas hands by now.

 

Wow thats really foolish failure in basic probability.

But ok lets assume youre right and they do have a guidance system. Really Ive wondered what guidance system they might have. Where do they get the guidance system from?

Interesting article, it highlights a massacre of the women and children in a Hamas operative's house.

 

None of that is true. Israel flatly rejected a palestinian unity government unless Hamas give up its aims while allowing its own Likud party to keep its own aims.

Israel has a severe problem with a palestinian state, as detailed in the Likud charter.

Hamas has already agreed to take part in a unity government that would recognise Israel.

 

They have no problem, they simply won't allow it.

http://972mag.com/netanyahu-clarifies-the-occupation-will-last-forever/93372/

 

Nope, they do not have the comparative advantage of having the latest weapons technology at their disposal. Please reiterate to this forum relative non-combatant casualty figures. Thanks in advance.

 

Indeed. Its been clear for some time.

I tend to think Hamas was correct in its assessment all along. They acknowledge that Israel has no intention of achieving peace and chide the PA that peaceful actions such as the decade long cooperation the PA has carried out are only seen as weakness by the Israelis.

If you get down to it, I think most right wing Americans and Israelis can see that Israel isnt really going to accept Palestinian sovereignty.

 

Watch the documentary Death of a Princess. Can you provide me with a link showing that it is a hoax? I haven't heard anything like that. What would be the purpose of this hoax? Who was involved specifically? KSA is a US ally.

 

There's a curious dynamic which happens.

Right wing Americans (to run with your example) will be for freedom and self determination and all would fight for it one way or the other, rightly so. They're unable to apply that to the Palestinians, though, and that can only be because the discourse doesn't account for it.

Because of manufactured discourse (and therefore belief) people are manipulated to frame their thoughts and beliefs only in favor of Israel and in opposition to the Palestinians. So we get Israel being the party which cares for children, acts morally, has shared values, is set-upon, is long suffering, and otherwise is the good guy. These aren't lies, but they are half-truths and are the best aspects which can be put forward.

The Palestinians, on the other hand, are shifty, terroristic, intent on the genocide of all Jews, all in support of Hamas, seek more land (!) and sundry other negating conditions. Again not entirely untrue (some are) but certainly focussed on the worse aspects of what it is to be Palestinian, or at least some Palestinians.

This is how the discourse is framed.

If the discourse was framed from a more realistic perspective which had at the helm the sheer affront that an entire people had been brutally denied their self determination and freedom for some 66 years without any break in sight we'd find right wing Americans sharpening their pitchforks. This is, after all, something which defines the American, this sense of freedom.

Israel spends a lot of time and money making sure that kind of discourse never arises.

 

As you are a very wise and informed fellow, I'm almost certain that I'm preaching here to the converted, so what follows is for the benefit of others.

From the outset, there was never intention on the part of the Israeli's to arrive at a peaceful settlement predicated on justice for the Palestinian people. Peace predicated on justice is the only long-term peace worth its salt. All else is mere subterfuge. Both the United States and its principal middle east ally - the colonial settler state called Israel - have been leading the world a merry dance for well over six decades - the illusion being that 1) a succession of U.S administrations' have been honest power brokers for peace and reconciliation and 2) that its underling has desires anything other than the ethnic cleansing of the whole of Palestine.

The reality, as all informed folks know, is that Plan D continues under another name as part and parcel of an historical continuum. This is what this latest historical phase of Israeli ethnic cleansing is really about - a form of incremental Genocide by stealth.

The eventual aim, in other words, is to clear all of Palestine of Palestinian's. In that way a peace will deemed to have been arrived at predicated on the creation of a wilderness.

Few commentators will dare utter the words, 'Final Solution' YET but as time goes on it will become increasingly obvious to all rational and informed observers that this is precisely what's happening. The far-right Jewish extremists in Israel, as well as their fundamentalist Zionist supporters in the United, States, Britain,and elsewhere are well aware that this indeed is what the intention is for the Palestinian people.

 

What do you think Ze'ev meant when he wrote the following?

"There can be no voluntary agreement between ourselves and the Palestine Arabs.

"Not now, nor in the prospective future.

"I say this with such conviction, not because I want to hurt the moderate Zionists.

"I do not believe that they will be hurt.

"Except for those who were born blind, they realised long ago that it is utterly impossible to obtain the voluntary consent of the Palestine Arabs for converting 'Palestine' from an Arab country into a country with a Jewish majority."

http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/Zionism/ironwall.html

 

The Arabs of Jaffa who owned 200,000 dunams of orange groves and the water that nourished the trees were far more special than the Jewish thugs who stole their land and drove them into the Mediterranean, wouldn't you agree?

Many Arabs and Jews living in Palestine in 1948 thought the UN was violating its own charter by giving one third of the population 55% of Mandate Palestine. I would think the UN should have followed its own founding principal and allowed a vote to determine the first government of Israel.

Today we have equal numbers of Jews and Arabs living on that same land, yet only Jews have any meaningful sense of self-determination.

Are they more special than Arabs?

 

Why are you talking about others when you yourself admitted to supporting/condoning terrorism, war crimes and crimes against humanity? How do you sleep at night?

 

What a powerful,well thought out rebuttal! Lol any rocket fired by Hamas in general direction of Sderod or Tel Aviv is a war crime. And Gazans are punished by Hamas which spends international aid on rocket launchers and terror tunnels, which btw are also war crimes.

 

Hardly, more than 99% land in Israel, who's people they target for death. Pretty darn good shots to tell the truth. I suppos that Al Qaeda is not a terrorist organization in your books because one of the airliners didn't hit it's intended target on 911.

They are pointed at civilian areas in Israel and then fired. Is this too complicated for you?

Yes, a massacre of Hamas operatives who were targeted, you can read the linked article entitled "IAF destroys homes of all Hamas commanders, kills senior members " if you are yet again confused as it is in the article as well as the statement that the attacks are directed at all Israelis hence, they are all terrorist attacks by a terrorist organization as they are guilty of;

"criminal acts, including against civilians, committed with the intent to cause death or serious bodily injury, or taking of hostages, with the purpose to provoke a state of terror in the general public or in a group of persons or particular persons, intimidate a population or compel a government or an international organization to do or to abstain from doing any act"

 

Its self-defense.

Think of it like this - in response to being attacked by terrorists who hijacked 4 planes, the USA declared war on the world, destroying Iraq & Afganistan, "droning" people in other nations, killing God only knows how many innocents, Not satisfied with 10 years of war, the US govt decides to uproot Libya and Egypt leaving them in civil war, meddle in Syria, pick a fight with Russia, and poke around in the Israel/Patestinian problem.

Israel has suffered many thousands of rockets fired into its country over the past few years, suicide bombers killing innocents, teens kidnapped and murdered, various attacks and wanton killing by terrorists working out of Gaza, but has restrained from a true retaliation due to world pressure and particularly pressure from the obama admin. Then when Israel finally decides enough is enough, the world and the US govt whines about the poor people in Gaza.

The land for peace deal didnt work, everyone with a brain knew it wasn't going to work. The US govt bears much of the blame because US politicians always try to force unworkable peace agreements so they can get a "legacy". Innocent people have been killed for decades because of US and world meddling - the blood of innocents is on the meddlers hands.

 

It is not a concetration camp. Everyone with any sense knows why the words "concentration camp" were used - its a dirty attempt to smear Israel by racists.

And so what would you do if you lived in Israel? No peaceful venture will stop Hamas and their ilk. This entire Gaza land for peace deal was a joke from the start.

 

The trouble is that no matter what word is used it will have implications that Israel will not like, personally I would say Gaza is more like the Warsaw ghetto. Unfortunately anyone who criticizes Israeli actions will face the accusation of antisemitism or racist. Ultimately even if critics of Israel are racist(and some are) the fact remains that Israel continues to flout international law.

The land for peace deal was a joke because Israel has no intention of giving up her expansionist policy.Look at what Israel does not what she says. The continuing settler developments have virtually ruled out any possibility of a two state solution.

 

The following article by William Youmans, assistant professor at the School of Media and Public Affairs at George Washington University, is the most measured and sober analysis on this issue and related issues I've read:

http://america.aljazeera.com/opinions/2014/7/rockets-hamas-gazaisraeliprmessaging.html