City of Houston demands pastors turn over sermons

Discussion in 'Current Events' started by Wake_Up, Oct 14, 2014.

  1. Wake_Up

    Wake_Up New Member

    Joined:
    Jul 22, 2012
    Messages:
    5,290
    Likes Received:
    43
    Trophy Points:
    0
    Any doubt that this agenda would seek to trample rights is no longer in question...


    The city of Houston has issued subpoenas demanding a group of pastors turn over any sermons dealing with homosexuality, gender identity or Annise Parker, the city’s first openly lesbian mayor. And those ministers who fail to comply could be held in contempt of court.

    “The city’s subpoena of sermons and other pastoral communications is both needless and unprecedented,” Alliance Defending Freedom attorney Christina Holcomb said in a statement. “The city council and its attorneys are engaging in an inquisition designed to stifle any critique of its actions.”

    ADF, a nationally-known law firm specializing in religious liberty cases, is representing five Houston pastors. They filed a motion in Harris County court to stop the subpoenas arguing they are “overbroad, unduly burdensome, harassing, and vexatious.”

    “Political and social commentary is not a crime,” Holcomb said. “It is protected by the First Amendment.”

    The subpoenas are just the latest twist in an ongoing saga over the Houston’s new non-discrimination ordinance. The law, among other things, would allow men to use the ladies room and vice versa. The city council approved the law in June.

    The Houston Chronicle reported opponents of the ordinance launched a petition drive that generated more than 50,000 signatures – far more than the 17,269 needed to put a referendum on the ballot.

    However, the city threw out the petition in August over alleged irregularities.

    After opponents of the bathroom bill filed a lawsuit the city’s attorneys responded by issuing the subpoenas against the pastors.

    The pastors were not part of the lawsuit. However, they were part of a coalition of some 400 Houston-area churches that opposed the ordinance. The churches represent a number of faith groups – from Southern Baptist to non-denominational.

    “City council members are supposed to be public servants, not ‘Big Brother’ overlords who will tolerate no dissent or challenge,” said ADF attorney Erik Stanley. “This is designed to intimidate pastors.”

    Mayor Parker will not explain why she wants to inspect the sermons. I contacted City Hall for a comment and received a terse reply from the mayor’s director of communications.

    “We don’t comment on litigation,” said Janice Evans.

    However, ADF attorney Stanley suspects the mayor wants to publicly shame the ministers. He said he anticipates they will hold up their sermons for public scrutiny. In other words – the city is rummaging for evidence to “out” the pastors as anti-gay bigots.

    Among those slapped with a subpoena is Steve Riggle, the senior pastor of Grace Community Church. He was ordered to produce all speeches and sermons related to Mayor Annise Parker, homosexuality and gender identity.

    The mega-church pastor was also ordered to hand over “all communications with members of your congregation” regarding the non-discrimination law.

    “This is an attempt to chill pastors from speaking to the cultural issues of the day,” Riggle told me. “The mayor would like to silence our voice. She’s a bully.”

    David Welch, pastor of Bear Creek Church and director of the Houston Area Pastor Council, also received a subpoena. He said he will not be intimidated by the mayor.

    “We’re not afraid of this bully,” he said. “We’re not intimidated at all.”

    He accused the city of violating the law with the subpoenas and vowed to stand firm in the faith.

    “We are not going to yield our First Amendment rights,” Welch told me. ‘This is absolutely a complete abuse of authority.”

    Tony Perkins, the head of the Family Research Council, said pastors around the nation should rally around the Houston ministers.

    “The state is breaching the wall of separation between church and state,” Perkins told me. ‘Pastors need to step forward and challenge this across the country. I’d like to see literally thousands of pastors after they read this story begin to challenge government authorities – to dare them to come into their churches and demand their sermons.”

    Perkins called the actions by Houston’s mayor “obscene” and said they “should not be tolerated.”

    “This is a shot across the bow of the church,” he said.

    This is the moment I wrote about in my book, “God Less America.” I predicted that the government would one day try to silence American pastors. I warned that under the guise of “tolerance and diversity” elected officials would attempt to deconstruct religious liberty.

    Sadly, that day arrived sooner than even I expected.

    Tony Perkins is absolutely right. Now is the time for pastors and people of faith to take a stand. We must rise up and reject this despicable strong-arm attack on religious liberty. We cannot allow ministers to be intimidated by government thugs.

    The pastors I spoke to tell me they will not comply with the subpoena – putting them at risk for a “fine or confinement, or both.”

    Heaven forbid that should happen. But if it does, Christians across America should be willing to descend en masse upon Houston and join these brave men of God behind bars.

    Pastor Welch compared the culture war skirmish to the 1836 Battle of San Jacinto, fought in present-day Harris County, Texas. It was a decisive battle of the Texas Revolution.

    “This is the San Jacinto moment for traditional family,” Welch told me. “This is the place where we stop the LGBT assault on the freedom to practice our faith.”

    We can no longer remain silent. We must stand together - because one day – the government might come for your pastor.

    http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2014/10/14/city-houston-demands-pastors-turn-over-sermons/
     
  2. gamewell45

    gamewell45 Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Apr 10, 2011
    Messages:
    24,711
    Likes Received:
    3,547
    Trophy Points:
    113
    This is surprising since Texas is a Red state.
     
  3. Questerr

    Questerr Banned

    Joined:
    Feb 6, 2007
    Messages:
    63,174
    Likes Received:
    4,995
    Trophy Points:
    113
    If these pastors want to involve themselves in politics, perhaps they don't need their tax exemptions for their churches.
     
  4. RP12

    RP12 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Nov 11, 2011
    Messages:
    48,878
    Likes Received:
    11,755
    Trophy Points:
    113
    And yet this is not covering all of Texas it is covering Houston. >>>MOD EDIT Off Topic Removed<<<

    - - - Updated - - -

    How are they getting into "politics" and what does tax exemption have to do with the topic?
     
  5. gamewell45

    gamewell45 Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Apr 10, 2011
    Messages:
    24,711
    Likes Received:
    3,547
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Where's Rick Perry when you need him?? I guess Texas is not a solid red state anymore; perhaps political change is afoote.
     
  6. wgabrie

    wgabrie Well-Known Member Donor

    Joined:
    May 31, 2011
    Messages:
    13,914
    Likes Received:
    3,088
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    Why are they going after the churches?

    Why don't they go after Mosques as well? What's the matter afraid of a little jihad??!! :lol:
     
  7. Questerr

    Questerr Banned

    Joined:
    Feb 6, 2007
    Messages:
    63,174
    Likes Received:
    4,995
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Did you read the article? Apparently these pastors have been making sermons about the mayor.
     
  8. RP12

    RP12 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Nov 11, 2011
    Messages:
    48,878
    Likes Received:
    11,755
    Trophy Points:
    113
    So you have no interest in discussing the topic i see.

    - - - Updated - - -

    Dear god not that! And the proof of this atrocity that ends the first amendment for those involved? Screw the Constitution they might be saying something about the Mayor!!! Panic!!!
     
  9. rwild1967

    rwild1967 Banned at Members Request Past Donor

    Joined:
    Aug 31, 2014
    Messages:
    2,343
    Likes Received:
    19
    Trophy Points:
    0
    Gotta be more to this story. can't find any mention of it anywhere but faux and extremist blogs.
     
  10. Osiris Faction

    Osiris Faction Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Apr 19, 2011
    Messages:
    6,938
    Likes Received:
    98
    Trophy Points:
    48
    Whats the problem? Are they afraid their words will be brought to light and they will be called bigots?

    I thought they were supposed to be proud of their faith? Why would they hide that?
     
    TheChairman and (deleted member) like this.
  11. RP12

    RP12 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Nov 11, 2011
    Messages:
    48,878
    Likes Received:
    11,755
    Trophy Points:
    113
    http://www.chron.com/news/politics/...s-pastors-sermons-in-equal-rights-5822403.php

    - - - Updated - - -

    So you are against the NSA listening to everything they can but you are for this... Him i wonder why that is.. OH its Christians... Burn em!!
     
  12. Gatewood

    Gatewood Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Aug 31, 2013
    Messages:
    47,624
    Likes Received:
    48,666
    Trophy Points:
    113
    I agree. As a Houstonian this OP has taken me by surprise since I've otherwise heard nothing about it. A Google search turned up fifty or so Right of Center 'announcements' but nothing at all from any of the supposed politically neutral media outlets or from anything unquestionably Left of Center and so as of here and now I am labeling this as doubtful. It might very well be something that was bandied about in a city council meeting but it seems unlikely that Mayor Parker would deep-six her reputation by committing such a power play over utter nonsense.
     
  13. Channe

    Channe Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    May 16, 2013
    Messages:
    14,961
    Likes Received:
    4,064
    Trophy Points:
    113
    If churches want tax exemption, they better accept the marching orders of the government.
     
  14. Raised Right

    Raised Right Member

    Joined:
    May 30, 2014
    Messages:
    632
    Likes Received:
    7
    Trophy Points:
    18
    Specifically, how is that relevant to this issue?
     
  15. RP12

    RP12 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Nov 11, 2011
    Messages:
    48,878
    Likes Received:
    11,755
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Simple.. it isnt. Its his typical deflection.. Next will be a country 4 letters long that ends in Q.
     
  16. Raised Right

    Raised Right Member

    Joined:
    May 30, 2014
    Messages:
    632
    Likes Received:
    7
    Trophy Points:
    18
    Well, the fact that illegal immigrants are able to vote certainly helps the liberal cause. It's truly repulsive.
     
  17. EMTdaniel86

    EMTdaniel86 Banned

    Joined:
    Apr 8, 2011
    Messages:
    9,380
    Likes Received:
    4,403
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    They can't force the church to turn over that stuff. Churches are protected from things like that.
     
  18. TheImmortal

    TheImmortal Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Aug 16, 2013
    Messages:
    11,882
    Likes Received:
    2,871
    Trophy Points:
    113
    I'm pretty sure it's common knowledge that Christianity is against homosexuality. Not sure there's really anything to hide there.
     
  19. mdrobster

    mdrobster Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Aug 11, 2011
    Messages:
    34,518
    Likes Received:
    13,071
    Trophy Points:
    113
    You can argue for taxing churches, but this is ridiculous and in no way ethical, its legality should be questioned.
     
  20. Questerr

    Questerr Banned

    Joined:
    Feb 6, 2007
    Messages:
    63,174
    Likes Received:
    4,995
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Hey, they can say all they want about the mayor, but if they want tax exempt status, they should stay the (*)(*)(*)(*) out of politics.
     
  21. JWBlack

    JWBlack New Member

    Joined:
    Sep 12, 2012
    Messages:
    2,304
    Likes Received:
    10
    Trophy Points:
    0
    Straight up Fascism.
     
  22. Hoosier8

    Hoosier8 Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Jan 16, 2012
    Messages:
    107,541
    Likes Received:
    34,489
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Most of the 'neutral' media is not neutral.

    Houston, we have a problem


    The motion:

    http://www.adfmedia.org/files/WoodfillQuashMotion.pdf

    The subpoena:

    http://www.adfmedia.org/files/WoodfillSubpoenaRequest.pdf
     
  23. CKW

    CKW Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Apr 23, 2010
    Messages:
    15,392
    Likes Received:
    3,445
    Trophy Points:
    113
    What it is....is that the Mayor wants to crush dissent. It amazes me how many of our most liberal citizens show disdain for freedom of speech.

    I am sure there are organizations--tax exempt-- out there...that are doing community service, are pro-gay and have no fear expressing pro-gay views. And you think they should be taxed? Because they have an opinion?
     
  24. Questerr

    Questerr Banned

    Joined:
    Feb 6, 2007
    Messages:
    63,174
    Likes Received:
    4,995
    Trophy Points:
    113
    If they target anti-gay politicians, yes.

    If you want to be tax exempt, stay out of politics.
     
  25. Hoosier8

    Hoosier8 Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Jan 16, 2012
    Messages:
    107,541
    Likes Received:
    34,489
    Trophy Points:
    113
    You mean stifle political speech because liberals have thin skins. Got it. That's tolerance for you.
     

Share This Page