MEn Who ARe Attracted To Transsexual Women Are Gay?

Here is a short four minute video that addresses the issue.

Because people will just assume that a guy who is attracted to transgendered women are assumed to be gay.

So here is the video:

[video=youtube;8QK2K1ZX-L4]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8QK2K1ZX-L4[/video]

She is wrong on one thing though, there really is some people who are one hundred percent straight. They are both alpha males and females, and things like manly macho men who think that women have to be barefoot and preggers in the kitchen.

But, one thing I do agree with is that for some people there is some confusion in this Some people will have things like fantasies that deal with the same gender as them but can never talk about it with someone because of the cultural conditioning of our gender identity.

Which is a shame.

Please, I would very much appreciate it if you would watch the video first before making comments in this thread. Thank you.

 

I think Maki is largely correct in saying that men who experience attraction to a transwoman are not gay. What people are attracted to has more to do with gender role/expression than with their 'parts'; people experience that attraction without knowing what's under a person's clothes.

But I think we should distinguish between the aforementioned situation, versus those who have a fetish for "shemale" porn or "ladyboys". That's a far more specific thing than one's general orientation toward members of the same or opposite sex. I wouldn't call these people gay, either. Absent more factual information, I would assume they lie more on the straight side of the scale than the gay side.

Labels like 'gay', 'straight', and 'bi' are really just a shorthand for saying "mostly/exclusively attracted to the same sex", "attracted in some degree to both sexes", and "mostly/exclusively attracted to the opposite sex". Orientation is a bit squishy, and we do it an injustice when we define it to narrowly and exclusively as "all gay", "all straight", "equally bi".

The great majority are probably mostly straight, with any same-sex attraction largely fleeting, unnoticed, and not troubling. While many people are exclusively gay or straight in the expression of their orientation, that isn't quite the same thing as being 100% attracted only to the same or opposite sex every millisecond of one's entire life. Nonetheless, it would be ridiculous to classify everyone as essentially bisexual, asserting thereby a false potential for everyone to choose which sex to find attractive. It doesn't work that way for most actual bisexuals, either.

Orientation and sexual behavior, while related, are not the same thing. The former usually drives the latter, but is not the only thing leads people to make whatever choices of sexual behavior they make. Thus, a sexual encounter with someone of the same-sex isn't what defines a person as 'gay', a sexual encounter with a person of the opposite-sex isn't what defines a person as 'straight', and having sexual encounters with members of both sexes isn't what defines a person as 'bisexual'. Those things (gay, straight, bi) are a matter of identity, informed by one's orientation. Behavior can be the expression of one's orientation, or be prompted by something else.

Obviously, people make choices concerning their sexual behavior. But I do not subscribe to the notion that this means people should have to choose only one type of sexual behavior; if you only have one option, then the only actual choice being offered is between behavior in which one may not be suited to partake (especially as a long-term commitment), versus enforced celibacy. That's not much of a 'choice' at all.

Orientation drives more than sexually intimate behavior, as well. 'Gayness', for example, isn't just about sexual gratification, or particular methods of achieving it. It's an aspect of identity that informs one's choice not only of a sexual partner, but of a life partner.

But returning to the central topic - yes, it's ridiculous to label someone who is attracted to a transsexual as 'gay', if that transperson is presenting as one's opposite sex.

 

They're gay. Or bisexual at best. But what they are not is straight.

A guy who has surgery to become a tranny is not a woman. He's a male with a mutilated penis. Being attracted to him doesn't make you straight. In fact it makes you gay with really bad taste.

 

What about all the Rightwing men who are sexually attracted to Ann Coulter?

 

They are either homosexual or bi sexual. Who the (*)(*)(*)(*) cares?

 

Interesting that the people who still insist on classifying them as "gay" or "bisexual" make no actual or intelligent arguments to support that assessment.

Seriously, I gave several paragraphs, and this is the best the other side can reply with? Pathetic.

 

SOme people are stuck in the gender roles and cultural conditioning that states our identity must be define by our biology.

Unfortunately, it is more complicated than that.

There really are some incredible looking transgendered women out there that would completely fool them.

 

Because the truth is simple and not complicated. You're the one trying to complicate it. I wrote soooo many prargraphs. Write a book and it still boils down to this. They are either gay or they're gay. Because bi is also gay.

 

Your statement reveals more about you than it does about them.

 

Oooo. So what?

 

Provide me any dictionary definition for those three words. Bisexual, homosexual and heterosexual.

And what more is there to say. If you have sex with someone of the same sex that you are you are either gay or bi. But you CANNOT, by definition, be heterosexual. Period.

 

So why are you so threatened by this concept that you can't think of other possibilities?

 

Of course, cause the tranny is perpetrating. Its an intention to deceive.

 

Then you really haven't known any and you are just repeating what you have been taught.

Most of them are not being deceptive. They truly identify themselves as a woman and they really only want to live their own lives just like anybody else.

That's really just another vote for making us all a slave to our biology.

 

Just curious......what difference does it make when a couple of anything or anybody does something within the limits of their constitutional rights if it does you no harm?

 

For me, not a darned thing.

But for those who value conformity and forcing us to be identified by our biology, it somehow means everything.

 

In Thailand we called Transsexuals Katoeys. There is even a yearly Miss Katoey Contest there.



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Without knowing these katoeys look pretty darn good. I think she has a good point. Straights could be very well attracted to these transsexuals, that is until they find out exactly what they are. Then the mind kicks in.

 

but their not actually a woman, theyre perpetrating womanhood.....

Its inherently dangerous

 

Why is it dangerous? Please be specific. How exactly and specifically does it harm you?

It doesn't harm me in the least.

Especially when you consider that some of these people are not just transsexuals, but are also real hermaphrodites.

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Except that it kicks in because of how people are socially and culturally conditioned to think and identify themselves.

 

They are still biologically male. You KNOW they are biologically male. You are sexually attracted to a biologic male. You are a homosexual or a bi-sexual if you are also attracted to biological females.
If you go on a chat room and have cybersex with a person roleplaying a female but whom you know to be a male, you have had cybersex with a man pretending to be a woman.

Honestly these are simple definitions. Does someone REALLY need to explain a simple definition?

 

Its dangerous because the tranny is telling a lie, a lie of intimacy to a straight man.

When that man finds out theyve been duped by a tranny, it might not go so well.....

 

So how come it's not a female if she has breasts? Why can they not identify themselves as a female?

It is not that simple.

Why must we be a male because we have a penis?

Why must we be mach macho man if we have a penis?

It is not that simple as you make it out to be.

Snips and snails and puppy dog tails...

 

Then I suppose you've put your dick inside a penis turned into a simulucrum of a vagina?
Because you DO know there are quite a number of differences in the FEEL of it right? How it lubricates (it doesn't, you have to spoon out the lube) how deep it is (can be a problem for the well endowed, even the average) etc. Its not only the mind. Even your dick can go "the (*)(*)(*)(*) was that?" and I'm not even talking only with transexuals. You ever taken a girls shirt off and she's got a weird looking set of tits and it just ruins the fun? Ever pulled a girls panties off and gone down to do your job (i'm talking about cunnilingus of course) and she's a front wiper so her (*)(*)(*)(*)(*) smells like (*)(*)(*)(*) and (*)(*)(*)(*)? Its not always the mind.

 

If there is a simple definition we need to make it known. One of my cousins was playing with his mother's shoes and clothes before he was two years old. By the time he was three his older brother and truck driving father had nicknamed him, "Sissy." He lived the life one might have expected and died of AIDS when he was 55 years old. Why would it be right to mistreat any person who was born a certain way over which they had no control?

 

Genitals are in your genital region. Your tits? Not genitals. A (*)(*)(*)(*)(*)? Genitals. A penis? Genitals. Tits? Tits are just tits.

Because if you have an xy set of chromosomes you're a biologic male. Why must I be a human? Afterall I identify as your benevolent God. I demand you worship me otherwise you're intolerent and some sort of ist! (kidding of course. Don't worship me)

You don't have to be macho. You can be rather feminine if you like or not. Hell you can be aesexual if you want. The (*)(*)(*)(*) do I care? Doesn't make you a female. Neither does getting the chop. You change your chromosomes to XX and you're a female. You still have XY? You're still a dude.
I'm not the one who called for being a macho macho man Tram. You're getting turned around.