Support for gay marriage has fallen after Obergefell

The same people who opposed 'gay marriage' also opposed civil unions.

Which is why those same people not only banned 'gay marriage' in states like Georgia- but also banned 'civil unions' and any recognition of civil unions.

 

There are gay and bi members of our immediate and closest family members, the greater sense of "us" in both a family and inner circle sense, and our best friends. A few years ago we used to hold gay activist meetings at our home.

We have since outright banned trannies from our home and property for bad experiences - no exceptions, will not maintain any truly close friendships with gay men - though otherwise will be social and civil and would make exception should this be for any of our children or children of our current close friends, and will not participate in any gay rights activities. These decisions were agreed by all, but most urged by lesbian and bisexual women amongst that "us," including those that are married to another woman.

It has become the theater of the absurd. Catlyn Jenner is not a transsexual. He's just doing a chessy cross-dresser act. The $100,000,000 Jenner is just doing the next Kardashian publicity fraud stunt. True transsexuals should be mad as hell about this. Gay rights activism has gone beyond seeking equality to demanding agreement to their declared and horrifically oppressive genetic and biological facts, equating relationships in gender terms to being a race identity, and gone gestapo on word and thought policing - with government and media the enforcers destroying the reputation and livelihood of anyone who dares disagree or not recite their slogans perfectly. It has become as extreme as the government dictating attendance and participation in religious rituals as a condition of employment under threat of law.
Mostly, gay activists and their media and government loyalists have become annoying as hell. The level of raging self pity, radical attention whoring, and institutionalizing a gay Christ-self-crucifix-complex practice has gone off the charts. We are far too free in our own lives and what people call "life style" to put up with their being in our faces anymore, very unpleasant and ridiculous.

Polls show support for gay rights is slowly declining and the reason is obvious. If you spit demands, hatred, accusations and act like pissy (*)(*)(*)(*)(*)(*)(*)s eventually people are going to get sick of you and not like you back.

 

The tables you posted confirm 81%

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It's like you're stating what is wrong with your argument.

 

The fights not over there is now the fight for full equality in education, housing, workplaces and in areas like adoption with heterosexual couples. Marriage though started the rest they need the same protections disability and race has enshrined in Federal Law as protected classes.

 

Nice dodge, it still won't work. 81% of new cases in 2013 were gay men. 93% of all new cases were due to contact with gay/bi men. Just admit you are wrong, I think everyone has accumulated enough points for posts in this thread.

 

Go read post 234. See post 396.

93% of all new cases of HIV in 2013 acquired HIV through contact with a gay/bi man.

You simply hoping it isn't 93% doesn't change the CDC data.

 

So what if HIV is a disease that most affects gay men?
Testicular cancer most affects men.
Unwantedly being pregnant most affects women.
Men die of diseases younger than women.
European diseases most affected Native Americans.

There is no morality based upon what disease most affects who.

 

This is not about the world - read the thread.

This is about HIV in the USA, and in the USA the overwhelmingly number of cases are gays, and almost all people (93% in 2013) who have HIV/AIDS acquired it through contact with gay or bi men.

If gays had followed all the precautions recommended by the CDC (and almost every precaution the CDC lists is about gay sexual practices), very few people in the USA would have HIV/AIDS. The data says a lot about the behavior and attitude of the gay community regarding public health.

 

I'm not wrong your links prove me right.

 

So keep spreading the word promoting the use of condoms and the dangers of promiscuity. That is what you're trying to do, right? It's not that you have anything against gay men is it?

 

that was never the argument... lol

it's common sense that marriage increases the odds a couple will stay together....

are you a Christian? do you believe this "What therefore God has joined together, let no man separate"

 

The CDC data shows 81%

 

Calling it a gay disease is simply incorrect because it isn't being a homosexual that people are getting AIDS, it is not using protection and lack of education on promiscuity that is the issue. But you just want to turn this into an anti-gay rant instead of actually trying to help people. That is sick, immoral, and why your side loses any legal battle because of your homophobia.

 

"Common sense"? In other words, you have zero evidence, you are just making a convenient claim.

Christians believe homosexuality is a sin, and gay marriage is an abomination to God. And the passage you quote is unquestionably about traditional marriage.

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LOL, you fail just like your partner in this thread.

From the CDC report :

Diagnoses of HIV Infection among Adult and Adolescent Males, by Transmission Category, 2013
Male-to-male sexual contact 31,023 cases 80.6% of the total

Of the MALES who contracted HIV in 2013 80.6% acquired it through male-to-male sex.

When you look at ALL PEOPLE who contracted HIV in 2013, 93% acquired it through contact with gay or bi men.

Why are you so intent on denying the truth?

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LOL, you lie.

From the CDC report :

Diagnoses of HIV Infection among Adult and Adolescent Males, by Transmission Category, 2013
Male-to-male sexual contact 31,023 cases 80.6% of the total

Its as plain as day, of the MALES who contracted HIV in 2013 80.6% acquired it through male-to-male sex.

That does not even consider female at all. But I guess from the perspective of a gay, the only category that matters is male-to-male sex.

When you look at ALL PEOPLE who contracted HIV in 2013, 93% acquired it through contact with gay or bi men.

 

The CDC guidelines have been known and promoted since the late 1980's, there has been a massive outreach campaign to educate the gay community for over 20 years. The gay community knows the issues and the protections, but a segment of the gay community decides to ignore the precautions. That's why 1.2 million people are living with AIDS today, the vast majority of those people acquired it through contact with gay or bi men who did not follow the CDC guidelines. That's what is sick and immoral.

The CDC data is clear. HIV is transmitted almost exclusively through contact with gay or bi men. That's why its a gay disease. No contact with gay or bi men, no HIV.

 

For 25 years the CDC and the government have been spreading the word. At this point, people that don't follow the guidelines disregard them intentionally and put innocent people at risk, they should be charged criminally.

 

And cons such as yourself want to PREVENT those preventive measures from being used. You Cons are against sex education, you cons are against teaching people about it. Cons are the problem, when they die off, the better.

 

Lol, you keep proving yourself wrong over and over again.

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It is demonstrably incorrect to call it a gay disease.

 

If you can prove the CDC numbers are wrong, then do so. HIV is overwhelmingly acquired and transmitted by gays.

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LOL, since you have lost the factual debate you switch to the personal. You just admitted you know I am correct.

 

I don't need to. Your claim is that it's a gay disease. That is demonstrably false. Your claim is also that it says 91%. That is also factually incorrect n

 

That again? You and others have complained that 93% is incorrect, and been disproven here

You cannot change the data no matter how much you hate the facts. All you can do is either accept the truth or put your head in the sand.

 

Once again

If every single gay and bisexual man in the world disappeared tomorrow- HIV would still not only exist in the United States- it would still be transmitted.

Hence it is not a 'gay disease'

Do I think that gay men- and all persons- have a responsibility to not spread sexually transmitted disease- absolutely.

Which is why we should encourage monogamy and safe sexual practices- marriage is of course one of the recognized ways to encourage monogamy. We will see in 10 years or so whether the rates of STD's go down within gay married couples as they presumably do among straight married couples.

 

Yea, the cdc does not say 93% were from gays.

 

True, but the CDC data table lists the number of people who acquired HIV by transmission category, and when the numbers of people who acquired HIV due to contact with gays or bi men are added, it comes to 93%.

Elementary school math. You should be able to follow it - and I know you do, you just don't want to admit 93% of people who contracted HIV in 2013 did so through contact with gay or bi men. To admit to the 93% admits HIV is a gay disease.

 

Which is not what you claimed. You claimed it is a gay disease and that gays were responsible for 93%. You are incorrect on both points.

HIV is demonstrably not a gay disease.