Tennessee Lt. Gov Ron Ramsey: Christians should consider arming themselves

Please provide a link to this 'loophole thingy'

 

The 'little itty bitty gun show loophole' would be if your mate gave you a gun to protect yourself making you a felon.

 

Nehemiah had the people wear their swords while they built the wall around Jerusalem. Where did the lt governor promote violence?

 

The loophole is the purchasing a gun from an individual or a gun show, in some states. Every state has not adopted universal background checks on every purchase. Every state requires a background check on a new gun purchase, but that's the only thing that is consistent across the states.

Here's the loophole: I'm going to use an individual purchase for the example, but in many states it also works with gun shows too. Let's say you want a gun and you live in a state with universal background checks and you know you won't pass one. You can travel to another state, one that doesn't require background checks when purchasing a gun from an individual. Using your connections, you find a gun for sale from an individual in that state. He fills out the paperwork and you exchange money. You legally own the gun now. He has done nothing illegal, because he doesn't have to do a background check on you. He won't know that you wouldn't pass one, but you just bought a gun legally, even though you wouldn't have been able to buy one in your own state. And 40% of gun purchases happen this way.

Straw purchases are buying a gun and giving it to someone else, that shouldn't be sold one. There was wide speculation about a straw purchase with the SC church shooter. The gossip was his dad bought him the gun, since he should have failed the background check. Reality was, dad gave him the money and he bought the gun. He passed the background check because someone didn't do their job and record his felony charge four month earlier. He shouldn't have passed the background check. If he hadn't, he wouldn't have had the gun he murdered people with. Anyway, straw purchases don't stop the loophole.

 

where did I say he did promote violence, I was saying he was saying faith in God alone wont protect you... put you faith in a Gun

 

http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/04/10/17689167-background-checks-for-guns-what-you-need-to-know

Edit: I want to add this thought. It seems that people think this kind of law is nationwide, and therefore uniform, but it isn't.

 

"according to the Coalition to Stop Gun Violence"

Going to take a guess and say they are part of the Bloomberg idiots...

 

Dunno. The source is NBC News.

 

Doesnt matter they are getting the information from That coalition.

 

The link I posted was a report from NBC News. I read that thing several times looking for what you said and I don't see anything about the Coalition to Stop Gun Violence. If that is their source, I would think they would credit it and I don't see any credits or links. Maybe I'm missing something.

I looked up "Coalition to Stop Gun Violence" because you mentioned it and they are backed by Michael Bloomberg.

Anyway, it doesn't really matter. Numbers are numbers.

 

Your premise is based on emotional hubris. You are arguing that armed personnel will stop the killings/or lack of armed personnel allows them to happen. Reality is that banks, who have armed security guards have still been hit by armed gunmen.

 

Background checks are primarily for handguns, not long rifles. Two, background checks are inconsistent throughout the nation, vary by degree, and always do not include private sales between individuals.

This does not include the ability to file off numbers, fake paperwork, or sell a gun to a individual and then claim it was stolen, while not reporting it, when the cops start asking why your gun was used in a robbery.

 

and I compared him to Nehemiah. Did he lack faith in God? God also gave us brains and common sense to use. He doesn't expect us to be helpless sheeple all the time.

 

You still have not answered the question. Again , how have gun free zones stopped shootings ?

 

I answered the question.

Gun free zones will not stop the shootings no more than having everyone armed in the school zone.

You are making a flawed argument based on flawed logic.

 

Only statement I have made in this thread was a question. No arguments, just a question.

 

Because the 1 group that is more gun ho and paranoid about evil governments that they think needs go than the American far right is going to try and outlaw guns? If you're going to use a boogeyman in place of a well thought outpoint, at least make sure it fits your argument.

 

I agree, saying God will protect you cause you believe is stupid.... God is not going to protect you... you have to protect you... if God wont stop a child from being raped to death, he is not gonna stop 'anyone' from being killed...... the Gun on the other-hand, could save you

nothing wrong with faith.... just make sure you have a backup plan if that fails

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Simple question - do you want to live in a community, let alone country, where you must arm yourself with deadly weapons, even in your own home, and be constantly fearful of everyone you see on the street? I fear that many who hold beliefs such as the one I quoted want/believe exactly that. I will also point out that I think you need some mental help. Oh, yeah, one other note:

ROSEBURG, Ore. — The father of the gunman who killed nine people at a community college here called on the nation to change its gun laws on Saturday, saying the massacre “would not have happened” if his son had not been able to buy so many handguns and rifles.

“How was he able to compile that kind of arsenal?” the father, Ian Mercer, said in an interview with CNN at his home in Tarzana, Calif. He said he had no idea that his son owned more than a dozen firearms.

 

I quoted your article. No numbers are not numbers when Bloomberg groups create there own definitions or out right lie to push there goals.

 

Why not post 'real' definitions and the 'truth' (with links, of course, to valid sources) to show how skewed Bloomberg really is. Unless, of course, you can't. Because all of that is part of another right wing fantasy and as far from reality as Tinker Bell.

 

I do all the time i use FBI stats you might have heard of them. Bloomberg's groups change the definition of "mass shooting" to what ever serves there purpose just like they include almost anything in "school shootings".

So outside of insults do you have anything to say? If not run along.. Perhaps you can find a NY times article that has nothing to do with the topic to post.

 

Skewed and/or incomplete stats (like what you're likely to find at those FBI stats) don't count. Now, what is your definition (with reasons and links) of "mass shootings" and Bloomberg's? Would it matter if it were three or ten?

Perhaps you can answer with facts and engage in a rational discussion, or will you turn blue it you're outside the fantasy bubble for too long?

 

I've broken down so many Bloomberg "studies" its not worth any more time to do it again.. And how the hell are FBI stats "skewed"? "Skewed" towards what?

 

The link describes the loophole in the law. It's there. Are you denying that a criminal can't go to a state where background checks are not required at a gun show or an individual sale and legally buy a gun? They can. That's the point. There is no spin.

I have a problem with pretense. The American people want background checks on every sale. Last poll I saw it was 87%. Statistics show that states with background checks have less gun crime. Background checks are required for every new gun sale in the US, but other guns are still sold. As long as they can be sold without a background check, criminals and mentally ill people can LEGALLY buy a gun. This is NOT the law the American people want. Background checks DO NOT infringe on responsible gun owners. Let's not pretend we have a law that stops criminals from buying guns legally, and then say gun laws don't work. They can't work, when you let 40% of gun sales go without a background check.