Can California Be Saved?

Gee. Would you look at that.

You let criminals out of prison and your crime rate goes up. Who would have thought?

And on top of that, California has some of the strictest gun control laws in the Nation leaving law-abiding citizens easy prey for these criminal thugs.

Thanks Liberals!

Can California Be Saved?

 

It's a mental health problem at its root and it's not liberals, per se, that are blocking effective mental health. It's the secret control over all government protecting its secrecy. Effective mental health care works with the unconscious mind.

What is unconscious, is better than secret.

 

Not with Jerry Brown and his like in charge and telling citizens what they can and cannot do according to their own whims.

 

California has such a high population that no matter who governs, there will be a myriad of problems.

 

I have asked similar questions before when people of the liberal persuasion blame conservatives for the problems within the minorities in America.

In a state that has been in Democratic hands for decades, why is it not a utopia of all the states in the union? I haven't received a valid answer from the left yet.

 

only non-violent offenders were released, right?

 

Given that violent crime increased 20.6% in Los Angeles, I would have to say no.

 

Not as long as they are in denial about reality itself.

 

Solution: http://www.politicalforum.com/political-opinions-beliefs/429526-trump-mass-deportations.html

 

i've lived in california all my life and i can honestly say that the state cannot be saved.

i moved to orange county in 1974 and i thought my young life was at an end. i was a die hard, "do as you like" liberal in those days and i was entering the heartland of the enemy. orange county was the great bastion of california conservatism, filled with mindless middle-class drones devoted to the status quo, and my path had always run contrary to such mundane mediocrity. la, to the north, was the home of privilege, keeping its underclass shackled and impoverished, and san diego was nothing more than an inconsequential playground. how i longed to return to the bay area, my erstwhile home, and its enlightened atmosphere.

my how things have changed. that enlightened atmosphere i left behind has soured. the underlying morality of beatniks and flower children disappeared as their power grew and turned to a stagnant environment of authoritarianism, a new sort of "do as we like or else" liberalism. la's underclass did rise up, but the aftermath isn't pretty. slowly but surely, by sheer numbers alone, they gained power and were corrupted by it. they used that power to confiscate what existing wealth they could, before the privileged secured themselves behind policed barricades and legions of attorneys or fled entirely, and invested that stolen wealth in more poverty. the city is now a failing battleground. wringing what they can from those that are left, its government attempts to replace the fled industry with handouts and grows its army of malcontent on the leftovers of the productive that have long since sought greener pastures. orange county itself has lost most of its suburban sheen. overrun by the influx of southern immigrants, both legal and illegal, and chopped up by mandates for "low cost housing" handed down from the ivory tower denizens of sacramento, the term "middle-class" has been redefined to include almost everyone. we now have bankers and grey-haired ex-prom queens living minutes away from gang-bangers and whores. orange county in fast becoming the ultimate liberal landscape, poverty living right next door to wealth, degrading the lifestyle of the millions who have spent their lives laboring to afford a bit of comfort and privilege.

so where have all the conservatives gone? oh, they're still here. oddly enough, it is san diego that is home to most of their power. sitting on the frontier with the third world terrorist nation of mexico, they understand that the conservative values others cast aside are all that stands between the rampant poverty and corruption to the south and the prosperity of a productive nation. there are still pockets of conservatism here in orange county as well, but their voices are shouted down by the multitudes of entitlement babies and newly minted welfare queens. they watch as the investments they made in their future are degraded by those who were not so far sighted and lament the fact that they too couldn't simply pack up and leave this "welfare state" behind. most of california's conservatism exists in the more rural areas of the state, the breadbasket that keeps most of the west coast's larder filled. while industry flees the taxation of greedy political animals and the entitlement society that drives them, agriculture must remain where the land is. fighting against environmentalists that seek to dry up their farms, the welfare state proponents that empty their pool of domestic labor and the open borders crowd that demands exorbitant wages for mindless work, these are the people that most recognize the destructive nature of the modern liberal mindset.

none of this would really matter if it was an isolated incident. it could all be excused as folly if this destructive trend hadn't been foreshadowed by so many attempts at the exact same thing. over and over again we have seen this economic fascism, the micromanagement of the private sector by government, play out and it has ended in disaster every time. history gives us countless examples of such "dictatorships of the proletariat" self-destructing, but we still have all of these idiots telling us that this time it will be different.

 

You are of course assuming all (or the majority of) the non-violent offenders that were released are the ones causing the increased violent crime. There is not data that confirms such an assumption.

 

Right. It's "wrong" of him to make that assumption. It's just a coincidence. California is fine.

*Secures tin foil hat*

 

California home of the greenies

 

I think that is how a state or a city begins its decline. Having a single party that does not have to worry about what they do or how they govern. I do not think the party matters, it is not being held accountable that does. The knowledge that whatever you do, no one will call you on it or vote you out of office. A single party without worries about being thrown out or held accountable will lead to corruption and a budget that is unsustainable.

 

Violent crime rates increased in cities across the country during the first half of 2015. The assumption that release of non-violent offenders in CA triggered this nationwide increase is unsupported.

 

Do you know what "non-violent" means? No, it isn't a fair assumption it is nothing but a political cheap shot based solely on an idiot assumption.

Seems all you can do is provide personal attacks and fail. You're dismissed.

 

Yes I do know what it means. However, you're claiming it's a coincidence in the DRASTIC raise in the rate. He's claiming it's not a coincidence and it has merit.

 

Unfortunately for your theory of citizens being easy prey for criminal thugs, the law abiding citizens in California have always been able to obtain all the guns they want and can still obtain all the guns they want. And you know why California is strapped for cash as well as I do, and it has almost nothing to do with the state government.

 

and yet, all these issues cited in the story are the minor problems...

they are facing an exodus of the corporate centers to other states... as well as expansion plans for many companies, leaving to establish in other states... and slowly we know what that eventually means... once they firmly root themselves in another state for tax reasons with that expansion, they finish the 10-20 year plan and begin to transfer the corporate headquarters for tax reasons as well... which is often harder than people think just because all the folks you have, live there and its hard to move them... this is why they expand in another state, then slowly more and more functions are transferred to these other facilities, and slowly less and less people work at this corporate headquarter... slowly the well paid employees leave, lowering home values and taxable wealth in those communities...

until one day, they take the last several hundred folks, and offer them packages to move to texas... heh...

toyota, tesla, ebay, OP, all sorts of corporations have chosen to leave and build in texas mostly... they will reap the rewards of all those corporate headquarters... and the slow rise of upper middle class folks who run them and bring their large salaries with them... this is why folks are gobbling up real estate like mad in texas, because they understand what this means for the future in these areas... the growth you see in texas now, is tiny compared to what will happen as a result of the years of growth at these places as they finish moving everyone there... literally billions of tax dollars are flowing from california to texas...

so no... california can't be saved, its only going to get MUCH worse... as more illegals and lower income folks settle there, and the wealth leaves... even hollywood has been moving out for the past few decades... new york is seeing a resurgence of it and even florida is getting in on that action... california for all intense purposes, may appear to be "growing" but its growing on the wrong end of the scale... once enough wealth goes, they won't be able to pump in enough low wealth folks to make up the difference... they'll cost far too much and give too little...

the writing is on the wall...

the question is... which will come first... the big quake or the big collapse...

 

I lived in Santa Barbara years and years ago when there was a property tax revolt of sorts. The revolt became a proposition (I don't remember the proposition number) that hugely limited property taxes, particularly for those massively inflating values located near the coast. Seems to me all it did was shift the burden inland. It didn't really matter, it affected every part of the state, but the really rich dudes in Santa Barbara (Hope Ranch, Montecito, etc.) couldn't have been more pleased. I think that proposition was the beginning of the end for California. People had very expensive houses (maybe they were leveraged, maybe not) and maybe the property taxes were hurting some. But ever since, California has had one fiscal crisis after another and its infrastructure has turned to snot. And, as usual, Republicans want to blame government. It didn't help that Nevada started offering free everything. The funny thing now is that Nevada, by offering free everything, is the last state to recover from the recession.

 

Who said all?

Even if just 1/4 of these released thugs contributed to the 20.6% increase, you would still have a problem wouldn't you?

 

Solution: State of Jefferson

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jefferson_(proposed_Pacific_state)

http://www.jeffersonstate.com/

 

Then all these ultra-liberal anti-gun Democrat controlled cities have another problem. Gee, I wonder what it can be?

 

Everybody knows about California and earthquakes, and especially the famous San Andreas Fault....

Of much more interest to me is the almost completely unknown Hayward Fault, which runs right under the heart of Oakland, south to north:



Hint: When the great San Francisco earthquake broke on the San Andreas Fault in 1906, a great deal of strain was relieved (as you might suspect). BUT, the strain built up considerably on its "sister" fault, the Hayward Fault, which run under Oakland.

Save California?! Maybe leveling one a huge metro area like Oakland (also heavily destroying San Francisco again in the process) would give Californians something different to spend money on besides protection and give-aways for illegal alien thugs.... -- "Sounds like a racist to me...."

 

Ignorant partisans trying to score cheap political points rather than address complex problems?


Oh... and after hitting historic lows, it was inevitable that there would be increases in crime eventually.