How do we prevent these mass shootings?

I'm not proposing the details that will be legislated, but do you regard public interest in the private transfers of automobiles as being unenforceable?

If a foolish father were to gift his mentally-unstable, unlicensed son with an automobile, should the public have no right to protect itself from such irresponsibility?

 

Since almost all automobiles are ALREADY registered, government management of the transfer of them between private individuals is possible. It is, however, still possible to transfer an automobile privately, without any government meddling. It is also possible to operate that automobile legally without licensing or registration or insurance. A law requiring these types of transfers would not be not enforcable.

He can do so in such a way that the public has no recourse, and no law could prevent.

The salient question is this: How do we get from upwards of a half-billion undocumented guns to a point where every transfer, to include private transfers, is documented? I hear the cries for UBCs touted as "common-sense", and "simple solution", but I've never once found anyone who can fill in the details of how it could be implemented or enforced. Because, in my opinion, it can't.

 

How many of those that died due to drugs caused the death of non-drug users?

 

You slay me me with your lack of knowledge...There are no Americans in Europe!!!...There are American military bases in almost every country in Europe and currently that number is around 116,000 military personnel. Also you claim Europeans are less likely to commit horrific acts...You have obviously never been to a soccer game...

You know those little Louisville sluggers that are about 14 inches long...They had to be banned in Poland due to roving gangs of fans wandering around and beating the hell out of opposing teams fans...

It's incredible how dense some people can be...How much they just soak in every little thing the left wing media sells them instead of doing a little research on their own. And yes for your info, I was stationed in Europe for 5+ years...I have been all over Europe, the Middle East and North Africa...I'm not fluent but I can get by in 7 different languages...

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you seriously want to compare military or tourists to having americans in europe?

almost 750 million europeans, and you want me to believe 100k on military bases means americans are influencing europeans?

maybe you should put into context, my reply to the other person, because you seem to think I am making some left wing response, which couldn't be further from the truth... but since clearly you dislike my response, it must mean I am a democrat right... why don't you ask democrats on this board how they feel about my responses, they say I'm a far right nut... just like you I guess?

I'm pointing out the social problems faced in americas inner cities, are not something thats been a constant issue for europeans... show me a single democrat run american city thats succeeding in education... I can point out liberal cities in europe that are doing FAR better on average than americans, for a fraction of the cost... you see thats the point I am making... they don't have the problems america does... we could argue and debate why, but thats for another thread, I'm simply saying europeans are lucky enough to not have the issues for various reasons to the level that american inner cities do...

hence... the reason why europe doesn't have the problems america does, it because it doesn't have americans...

so please, unwind the military grade panties you were issued, and take a moment to realize, the response to the person I replied to... I would think being someone stationed in europe you wouldn't be so uptight to over react, but hey I guess you can take the kid out of the ghetto, but can't take the ghetto out of the kid?

I think you just proved my entire point with your reaction... heh

 

You replied directly to Heinrich who stated that America should pass gun laws like Europe...That's your context...And then went on to say there were no Americans in Europe. So maybe you should be a little more clear when responding to someone who says America should be more like Europe. By saying what you did...
As for Americans influencing Europe, yes we do...You are forgetting that a military base concentrates a whole population of Americans in a small area. Many live and shop off base...Have friends that are not just co-workers. Live next door or even in the same house. find love, date marry and bring those folks home with them.
As a disciplined military member we are taught to respect the citizens and their beliefs even when we don't agree...It is not our country after all...And that is I believe Americas greatest problem is a lack of discipline and personal responsibility.

As for the inner city social issues because of diversity...Europe is already experiencing a rather rude awakening. Kids will be kids...And most people (right or wrong) tend to congregate with their own...Blacks with blacks, Hispanics with Hispanics, jocks, brains, nerds...etc. Gangs if you will and if you mess with one then you have to deal with all of them...

 

And your proposal would amount to locking up individuals for failure to maintain paperwork. Imprison people for assault with a deadly weapon, or for failing to perform a background check. Ultimately what is the true difference between the two standards, that makes your supported position better?

 

How is a gifted motor vehicle more of a threat to the publican than a stolen motor vehicle?

 

Your imagination contrives such fanciful scenarios in an effort to crush overwhelming support for sensible measures to reduce the frequency of firearm massacres.

Such paranoid speculation is not shared by most Americans, nor by law enforcement authorities. A permissive attitude toward gun acquisition does not protect our children.

We cannot allow a powerful, very well-funded political lobby to thwart the overwhelming consensus of the American people.

 

If your point is that an irresponsible father blithely gifting his homicidally-incline son with an automobile or a semi-automatic weapon is not necessarily much different from that individual stealing the vehicle or the weapon, we do have laws against his stealing either, and the same impediment should be applied to his being supplied with them, of course.

 

Can we allow that "it can't be possibly implemented, nor enforced" to thwart the consensus?

No matter how much your 5 year old jumps up and down screaming about his need of a hoverboard, it can't be done. Even if every 5 year old in every kindergarten across the nation agrees that we need them.... it still can't be done.

They cannot be implemented, nor enforced. No one on this forum has, one single time, shown any plan that will bring us to effective universal background checks, yet they keep using words like "common sense" and "reasonable". "Not possible" *IS* a valid reason to resist doing something, and to persist in demanding the impossible is not reasonable, nor is it common sense.

I ask you again: Produce some plan, any plan, that can be scrutinized, else UBCs are just a hoverboard pipe-dream.

 

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See that is why the NRA hates Australia - we did do it. BUT it requires laws with teeth to deal with anyone with an illegal firearm or even bullets and it requires gun owners to take responsibility for their guns

Something most right wingers will not contemplate

 

I support the consensus of Americans and law enforcement authorities.

If you, instead, buy the line of a powerful political lobbyist, that is your prerogative, of course.

 

My solution to mass shooting:

Kill 90% of the world population. Move the remaining 10% all over the globe making sure no one is within a 100 milles from each other.

 

Personal responsibility is anathema to the cheerleaders for permissiveness.

 

The NRA does not need to hate or even acknowledge the existence of Australia at all, they only need to reference the US Constitution. UBCs cannot possibly be implemented, nor enforced HERE. What your masters did in your kingdom, is not relevant.

 

I don't buy ANYBODY'S line, like YOU do... I capable of thinking for myself. That is why I do not base my opinions on slanted opinion polls, or the words of lobbyists, or those of irrelevant people in borderless island countries less than 1/10th our population. I ask you, and anyone who agrees with your position, to present a working PLAN to IMPLEMENT and ENFORCE UBCs. No one has done that, because it cannot be done in this country. I am willing to abandon my stance on this in the presence of a compelling counter-argument. Mere consensus does nothing to that end. You can wish for the moon, and have 100% of the people agree, but if it can't be done, it CAN NOT BE DONE.

 

But violent crime increased.
Between 1995 and 2007, Australia saw a 31.9 percent decrease; without a gun ban, America's rate dropped 31.7 percent.
During the same time period, all other violent crime indices increased in Australia: assault rose 49.2 percent and robbery 6.2 percent.
Sexual assault -- Australia's equivalent term for rape -- increased 29.9 percent.
Overall, Australia's violent crime rate rose 42.2 percent.
At the same time, U.S. violent crime decreased 31.8 percent: rape dropped 19.2 percent; robbery decreased 33.2 percent; aggravated assault dropped 32.2 percent.
Australian women are now raped over three times as often as American women.
- See more at: http://www.ncpa.org/sub/dpd/?Article_ID=17847#sthash.x1dOLXrD.dpuf

According to the Australian government’s own statistics, a number of serious crimes peaked in the years after the ban. Manslaughter, sexual assault, kidnapping, armed robbery, and unarmed robbery all saw peaks in the years following the ban, and most remain near or above pre-ban rates. The effects of the 1996 ban on violent crime are, frankly, unimpressive at best.

http://thefederalist.com/2015/09/03/the-australian-gun-ban-conceit/

Fact: Many of the countries with the strictest gun control have the highest rates of violent crime. Australia and England, which have virtually banned gun ownership, have the highest rates of robbery, sexual assault, and assault with force of the top 17 industrialized countries.

http://www.gunfacts.info/gun-control-myths/guns-in-other-countries/

Nice job of turning everyone into possible victims Aussies.

 

Since you refuse to, I'll try to put it together for you... You tell me where I'm wrong:

Roadmap to UBCs:
1) Seal off the borders and ports so that no foreign guns could make it into the country (securing the border not really a left-wing stance, but is necessary for this to work)
2) Create a database to contain every gun in the country, and their current owners.
3) Require that every gun owner report every gun they own, enter data into database.
4) Legislate harsh penalties for non compliance.
5) Send the government stormtroopers out to conduct door-to-door searches to round up all unregistered weapons.
6) Prosecute those who did not willingly comply.
7) Legislate that documentation of ownership must accompany a transfer of a weapon, and any purchase of ammo for that weapon.

At this point, you theoretically have an accurate database of every remaining gun in the country, and a prison full of "bad guys" who did not comply.

As time goes along, any guns used in crimes can be traced back to their last legal owner, and that owner held partially or fully responsible for the crime.
Any stolen guns would be reported immediately and _________(?... I dunno. help me here.)

Now, you can finally begin requiring ALL transfers of ownership undergo a background check and be recorded in the database. Documentation of that transfer must accompany the gun, like an automobile title, and also be presented when buying ammo. Perhaps record number of rounds purchased, and serialize the casings and bullets, and record those serial numbers with the gun in the database. Make home reloading illegal, perhaps?

How's this sound so far? Close to your 93% vision?

 

So far almost everyone of them sent out major red flags to family, friends, and the authorities, but nobody acted on them.

 

By a drastic margin...

 

That literally means the thought police have become a reality. We really don't want that... It's like Mount Everest covered in Lube and your job is to go up it walking backwards the whole way. It's a very slippery slope.

 

I'm not saying that people should be held accountable for some imaginary thought crime. I'm saying that these people displayed signs of depression, and mental health issues that could have and should have been dealt with. Then you got people who are obviously over/under medicated or dependent on some really gnarly drugs. If I had someone in my family like that I wouldn't let them get any where near a gun. We also take away drivers licenses of people who are on certain medications. It is a doctors duty to notify the DPS when they are medicating a patient, but mental health issues are considered to be privileged information. What a crock of (*)(*)(*)(*). If a doctor/psychologist has a patient that is a threat to themselves or the public at large, somebody needs to be informed. Do you disagree?

 

Not again! Do "you" lot take it in turn to post the same story which is then shown to be a load of ****

 

If they are threat of course I do agree. But what thought constitutes a threat?