NRA, Repubs block new law to stop suspected terrorists from buying guns

That was eight years ago and it's worthless today. Here is the list with fewer than 100K, not one million or anything close to it.

The list comprises people from all countries, not just people in this country.

OK, so there are other lists, but the only one being discussed in that article is the No Fly List.

Not so - here is the list of people, by name, on the No Fly List. There are 98,249 on that list from around the world with 3,240 added this year. Pretty easy to find out whether or not you're on it.

So, how many of those other people on that list are not known or suspected terrorists because of clerical errors? 5? 10? and the rest? do you really think the NRA is doing us any favors by preventing the use of this list to check for possible terrorists?

 

No and I'm not going to go looking for you either. However, if law enforcement officials from around the world consider these people dangerous, I'll take a chance that someone might not belong there. I'll put it another way - would you want one of those clowns sitting next to you on an airplane? or being allowed to buy any weapon they want with ammo to go with it? I sure wouldn't.

No, any seller would not have to check the terror watch list. That should be an automatic part of the approval process. Consequently, the is little likelihood of criminal liability attaching to the sale.

People are turned down every day, and most all of them for very good reasons (which I suspect they all know). If they don't then, yeah, they're in a bit of a tight, particularly if they know of no reason, past or present, for that to happen. I'll take that chance, personally, and have no problem with find out why that might have happened if it did. And anyway, with today's laws, or lack thereof, it's not much of a problem for someone who was denied to find their weapon of choice.

It stops them from flying and it should also prevent legal gun sales to them. If it doesn't then we, the people, have a problem and need to fix it.

Yes on mandatory checks (get over it, just like removing your shoes before you pass through security at the airport). I see no liability attaching to the seller if the buyer passes the background check and other reasonable care is taken with the sale.

 

Interesting that you see a problem with people having heir rights suspended on nothing more than suspicion, and at the same time, support that suspension.

 

If a right can be denied, it was never a right in the first place

 

No, that's totally absurd. You'd need to believe Jews had no right to live under Hitler to believe that.

 

There is no "right" to freely board any airplane you want to. If there were, the 'no fly' list would be unconstitutional.

 

So why do you oppose the no-fly list?

 

I don't. You must have me confused with someone else.

 

You said 'rather than have these lists,why don't prosecute the people on them' or somesuch.
This implies some level of opposition.
?

 

Sorry, but perhaps you have me confused with someone else or misinterpreted what I wrote. Find it, and I'll answer.

 

Something must have gotten messed up with the quote function.
Hmm.

 

When all their members start showing up on "Terrorist Watch Lists" can you blame them?

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/06/16/opinion/the-other-terror-threat.html?_r=0

 

Thanks for the link to the list. Did you notice the barely visible disclaimer at the bottom of the page?

And I have questions about that link. Why is it a .com and not a .gov? Why are there no explanations or links to TSA (the only link is to that n-fly-list page)? Why when I google for no-fly-lists there is no reference anywhere to the list being available (not in the ACLU or FAS sights, both of whom have led the fight for more fairness and transparency of the lists)? In fact, all the recent advice for determining if you are on the list is that you cannot know until you are prevented from flying.

If you have more background on this link I would appreciate it.

 

No I hadn't - it's almost invisible on my monitor.

Your questions are the ones I should have been asking all along so I poked around a bit. Then found this which might lead one to think it's part of NSA. I don't think so. I went to the official TSA site and found nothing regarding a no-fly list. When I Googled "what is terrorist security administration ", only two sites with that exact name popped up - the no-fly 'list' and the supposed one from NSA. Right now I have a sick feeling I've been conned and it doesn't make me happy. at all.

Apologies to all for what now looks like a serious error on my part (I try to be a LOT more careful), and would appreciate any more info on these two sites anyone can find.

 

OK, I got really curious and did a bit of checking. Went to whois.net and typed in the noflylist.com and got this reply:

This site totally appears to have no relationship to the government TSA department, especially since it was registered through GODADDY. However, note that it has been around since 2008. Whether these names are correct or not, or who actually runs this site and it's companion NSA site (I didn't check that one, but I imagine I'd find the same thing) is unknown as is/are the reasons for setting it up. My apologies to everyone.

 

Read the Constitution.
"The right of the people to bear arms"
Yet a convicted felon cannot own a gun, hence it isn't a right

 

Rights can be taken away by due process. We take away the right to vote as well as the right to own a gun from felons (who are convicted, which is an example of due process). See the 14th (and 5th) amendment.

 

But the legal definition of a Constitutional right is:

A right that has been guaranteed by the United States Constitution that cannot be violated by laws or by Congress.

(Black's Law Dictionary)

 

I've read the Constitution, but, more importantly, I understand it, which, obviously you don't.

 

How would a law prevent terrorists from getting weapons?

 

I'm sure that if they work hard enough, they can get a weapon, though I'd prefer that they not just walk in the door of any story or gun show they want and take their pick. And, if caught in the act of attempting to buy a weapon, legally or not, they'd perhaps get closer scrutiny as to just why they need something like that. It is amazing sometimes the little things that trip up criminals (which is exactly what terrorists really are).

 

Google: gun shops Peshewar - you do not want them making their own.

 

Amendment V:
No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a Grand Jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the Militia, when in actual service in time of War or public danger; nor shall any person be subject for the same offence to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation.

Note bold.
Any right may be constitutionally removed thru due process.

 

Back in the 60's, when I was in the Air Force (intercepting Russian military broadcasts), there was a rumor of a ground station listening post somewhere around Peshewar where everyone who could got custom made rifles and whatever, Never could confirm it, tho.

 

Pure comedy! You really think a terrorist is going to walk into a gun shop and say "Hi I'm an ISIS terrorist and I'd like to buy an AK-47"? Can anyone tell me how stupid/ that sounds. Besides a terrorist on a watch list would fail the background check already in place. No, this is a poison pill added to a false flag bill, that's why the NRA's against it. Thanks for the red herring but I think we'll pass.