Internment Camps for Radical Muslims?

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  1. ElDiablo

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    Yes, it worked so well that it is one of the ugliest American incidents of the 20th century.
     
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    Oh, I dont know.....

    I kinda thought Pearl Harbor was worse......
     
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    Internment camps were for all Japanese, if you want to capture bag and tag radical extremist Muslim animals, you might as well just keep them in a graveyard and be done with it.
     
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    The german concentration camps also worked quite well. In fact, their efficiency is known across the world.

    Now, could there be any consideration whatsoever apart from efficiency that one might include in this line of reasoning?

    None at all?

    Morals, maybe?

    Nah, let's just lock 'em up! We'll have plenty of time to come up with a...how shall I put it...final solution to the muslim problem?
     
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    This is my opinion, but I don't think there will be an Interment Camps for radical Muslims.
     
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    More people were killed on 9/11 and subsequent Muslim attacks than on Dec 7th, 1941.
     
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    No....it was not for all Japanese...a common misunderstanding though....it was only for West Coast Japanese....as in the west coast japanese were required to re-locate elsewhere....anywhee but the west coast.....though Japanese aliens and those who refused to take the loyalty oath were required to live in the re-location camps. Loyal Japanese Americans could live anywhere in America except on the west coast.


    Ansel Adams photographed Manzanar re-location camp in California....https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...e-internment-camps-in-1943-heres-what-he-saw/
     
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    No, you are quite wrong. Internment was not for all the Japanese....that is a common misunderstanding though. Only the West Coast Japanese were
    required to re-locate...you and many others that think as you do are just victims of liberal pc propaganda. The only Japanese required to live in the re-location camps were Japanese Aliens, subversive Japanese and or those who refused to take the loyalty oath. Loyal Japanese-Ameican citizens could live anywhere except on the West Coast. Not even German or Italian Nationals could live on the West Coast.

    http://www.foitimes.com/internment/fallon2.htm
     
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    Totally ridiculous(to be as nice as possible)--the American Re-location Camps were not concentration camps....the Japanese in the Camps were treated very humanely....the conditions were spartan but so were the conditions for most Americans during war time. Everything was provided for them...food, clothing, and medical care.

    Comparing the American Camps to the German concentration camps is typical liberal propandistic efforts though.
     
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    Call it whatever you want, you're talking about concentration camps. Camps where you gather up specific groups of people with no due process whatsoever.

    Then what? Keep them there until they are no longer radical?

    No, you'll want a final solution to the muslim problem.
     
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    Everything you've been taught about the World War II "internment camps" in America is wrong: - They were not created primarily because of racism or wartime hysteria
    - They did not target only those of Japanese descent
    - They were not Nazi-style death camps In her latest investigative tour-de-force, New York Times best-selling author Michelle Malkin sets the historical record straight-and debunks radical ethnic alarmists who distort history to undermine common-sense, national security profiling. The need for this myth-shattering book is vital. President Bush's opponents have attacked every homeland defense policy as tantamount to the "racist" and "unjustified" World War II internment. Bush's own transportation secretary, Norm Mineta, continues to milk his childhood experience at a relocation camp as an excuse to ban profiling at airports. Misguided guilt about the past continues to hamper our ability to prevent future terrorist attacks. In Defense of Internment shows that the detention of enemy aliens, and the mass evacuation and relocation of ethnic Japanese from the West Coast were not the result of irrational hatred or conspiratorial bigotry. This document-packed book highlights the vast amount of intelligence, including top-secret "MAGIC" messages, which revealed the Japanese espionage threat on the West Coast. Malkin also tells the truth about:
    - who resided in enemy alien internment camps (nearly half were of European ancestry)
    - what the West Coast relocation centers were really like (tens of thousands of ethnic Japanese were allowed to leave; hundreds voluntarily chose to move in)
    - why the $1.65 billion federal reparations law for Japanese internees and evacuees
    was a bipartisan disaster
    - and how both Japanese American and Arab/Muslim American leaders have united to prevent America from taking similar actions against Muslims which proved so effective in WWII.
     
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    The SCOTUS case that upheld it was marred by the fact that the government didn't allow the defense access to all documents. It was overturned. Regardless, the idea is immoral and unAmerican. Roosevelt should have been impeached for it, IMHO.
     
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    IMHO, they were not treated humanely. Recently heard of a case of a woman who grew up in one of those camps (she was an infant when put in the camp with her family). She got rickets, which is a type of malnutrition from not having sufficient calcium or Vitamin D. As a conservative, I think this is inhumane, and liberal Roosevelt should have been impeached for it.
     
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    Can't we just let them go over to the ME and bomb them there? It'll save the need for all the angst and loss of liberties in the US.
     
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    The question needs to be asked. How many radicalised Muslims have been discovered in America?
     
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    David D. Lowman, author of "MAGIC: The Untold Story of U.S. Intelligence and the Evacuation of Japanese Residents From the West Coast During WWII" argues that the government was right all along.

    Lowman's provocative study is based on a top-secret wartime intelligence project with the code name "MAGIC," a remarkable code-breaking operation that allowed U.S. intelligence analysts to intercept and decipher messages that passed between Japan and its diplomatic outposts around the world in the months leading up to the attack on Pearl Harbor and throughout the war. His review of the intercepted message traffic and other declassified intelligence documents, many of them reproduced in facsimile, prompts him to conclude that the internment order was justified by urgent security concerns.

    "Recently declassified MAGIC intelligence . . . clearly supports President Roosevelt's controversial wartime decision to issue Executive Order No. 9066, which served as the authority to evacuate more than 112,00 residents of Japanese descent from the West Coast of the United States at the beginning of World War II," argues Lowman, a former official of the National Security Agency, in his posthumously published book. "In addition to MAGIC, the president had available to him alarming assessments from the U.S. intelligence community which reported large-scale disloyalty, espionage and potential sabotage by U.S. residents of Japanese ancestry."



    One especially inflammatory message, for example, was sent by a Japanese intelligence operative in Los Angeles to Tokyo on May 9, 1941. "We have already established contacts with absolutely reliable Japanese in the San Pedro and San Diego area, who will keep a close watch on all shipments of airplanes and other war materials, and report the amounts and destinations of such shipments," reads the deciphered message. "We also have connections with our second generations working in airplane plants for intelligence purposes."
     
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    Most of the people (2/3) in the camps were Nisei (born in America to Japanese parents) or Sansei (born to Nisei parents, aka the grandchildren of the immigrants). It was a horrible thing to do to AMERICAN CITIZENS!

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internment_of_Japanese_Americans
     
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    My point was they were not necessarily radicals or the enemy for that matter. They were suspected of holding allegiance to a country that had just attacked the USA, an act of war.

    Any Muslim who is radicalized, or known to be a threat isn't even comparable to this topic.
     
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    Something like over SIXTY arrests so far....that's a lot of potential carnage that police have stopped....but it only seems to be getting worse.
     
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    If that was the case, charge the guilty. There were over 100,000 people in those camps. Punishment of people for crimes they may have committed is against all that this country stands for. If you approve, then, please leave this country. We don't need fascists and tyrants here.
     
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    Just the fact that people are starting to even TALK about internment camps for Muslims.....isn't that enough to get them to want to improve their Islamic texts? Apparently not. They seem to think the Islamic texts are just fine and dandy, when people are actually talking about the idea of putting them in camps. Fiddling while Rome burned.
     
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    Heresay...now for some actual facts and truth.

    One of U.S. media's most inexcusable wrongs is the widespread confusion of the words "internment" and "relocation."

    There were only 17,000 Japanese aliens and Japanese-Americans interned. They were quite justifiably interned, because those who were U.S.-born declared their loyalty to Emporor Hirohito. One-third of these were Japanese-Americans who renounced their American citizenship.

    Some liberals take issue with the fact that Hawaiian Japanese were not interned or re-located. There was no need to relocate any Japanese aliens or Japanese-Americans from the Territory of Hawaii because immediately after Pearl Harbor, the U.S. Army quite justifiably imposed martial law.


    The great majority of Japanese were not interned but required only to relocate outside of the Western Defense Zone, an area that included California, the western halves of Oregon and Washington, and a small portion of Arizona. Those who were not able to move were eventually taken to relocation centers, built with the same materials and on similar patterns as Army bases.
    Japanese could leave a relocation center if they could re-establish themselves outside of the Defense Zone, and some 35,000 did so. Those who relocated on their own by the end of March 1942 did not go to the centers.

    Among those who relocated on their own and never went to any relocation center were the Toguris of California. They moved to Chicago and opened a food store.

    Their daughter, Iva, UCLA Class of 1940, had moved to their homeland along with thousands of other U.S.-born Japanese. This daughter is still alive. She was known to many as "Tokyo Rose." She was found guilty of treason. But instead of being hanged (like the British hanged "Lord Haw Haw"), she was sent to the Women's Federal Prison in Alderson, W.Va. from which she was released after being pardoned by President Gerald Ford on his last day in the White House.

    The relocation centers to which the great majority of Japanese resident aliens or citizens were sent were relatively easy to leave if one could obtain a job anywhere outside the West Coast states.

    More than 4,300 Japanese left to go to college at government expense and thousands left to work on farms. Meanwhile, in the relocation centers the death rate was lower and the birth rate higher than that of the general American population. So, too, was the graduation rate from high school. At the time, the Japanese-American Citizens' League (JACL) praised the government for providing the relocation centers. Dillon Myer, the director of the War Relocation Authority, said, "Nothing was done regarding the relocation centers without the approval of the JACL."
    And by contrast to the wonderfully humane treatment of those in relocation centers -- who, later, received $20,000 apiece -- U.S. prisoners of the Japanese, including survivors of the Bataan Death March, were paid just $1 per day for being in that Hell-On-Earth.

    One of the many references which thoroughly discredit Congressman Honda's defamatory resolution is "MAGIC: The Untold Story of U.S. Intelligence And The Evacuation of Japanese Residents From The West Coast During World War II."

    The author is the late David Lowman, former special assistant to the director, National Security Agency.
    the American Japanese Claims Act of 1948 led to the provision of $35 million paid on thousands of Japanese-Americans claims for lost or damaged homes, or even crop loss, as a result of their being called away from their homes during a national emergency -- just as so many millions of American men were called away from their homes to serve in our armed forces where half a million of them were killed fighting our national enemies.


    If I were a loyal American of Japanese descent, I would not have been pleased with the evacuation order. Nor would I have been thrilled with having to uproot myself from my home on the Pacific Coast. However, as an emergency wartime sacrifice, it is hardly the greatest.
    Just ask those Marines who regard February 19 as their Day of Remembrance. On that date in 1945 they stormed ashore on Iwo Jima, where more than 6,000 of them died. That's a sacrifice to remember -- and honor.
     
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    How many charged, thrown before the courts and incarcerated?
     

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