Apparently European gov'ts need to tell Muslims not to beat women?

So they can invent more give -away programs no doubt !

 

Once again you do not answer the question and continue your lie.

The New Testament is the Christian text, post the exact part that states gays should be killed.

 

Many democrats are poor, so they pay little in taxes, so it's not THEIR money they are giving away, so they love to give away money. I love giving away other people's money, so becoming a democrat is lookin' pretty tempting to me right now!

 

Please post the part where Jesus says that all the (Old Testament) texts should not be included in the belief system - and then show us a Bible that dutifully follows those words of Jesus by only having the New Testament, omitting the old texts.
Can we at least agree that you've removed the parts from your Bible (they don't apply, apparently you feel) that say to kill gays? Can we agree on that? Seems reasonable, based on your arguments.

Thanks.

 

No. You repeatedly make the claim that the New Testament declares gays must be killed. Back up your claim.

 

But don't you want to be more loving by removing the two parts that say to kill innocent people (gays)? I don't understand why someone would refuse to do that when asked - you seem like a reasonable person. I'm requesting here and now that you remove the two parts from your working version of the Bible that says to kill innocent people (gays). Look, I'll still respect you if you choose to tell me "no", but I'd be puzzled as to why.

No, it's not directly in the NT (to kill gays), but the tacit approval of the NT, and inclusion of the OT with the NT clearly says that Jesus is fine with killing gays. Moses was ok with killing gays, so Jesus seemed to not want to contradict the guy who he allegedly met during the "transfiguration".

Thanks for the patience you've shown to me.
Have a great day.

 

This cartoon should be circulated in Australia. Australia has a terrible tradition of domestic violence.

 

Is it any wonder 58% of Americans don't work . Just hop a fence and the goodies never stop coming .

 

Yes, I agree. You've made some good points here.
Those people all seem to have their hands out for something.
I'd love to chat further, but I have to use my Obama-phone to call someone to deliver my food-stamps to me this month, so I'll catch you later.
Have a great night.

 

LOL .

 

Why? What does it matter to me what other people believe? There are many things scientists don't agree on. Should we despise those who hold an opposing point of view?

 

Well, some people who believe that they get 72 virgins if they kill for a 7th century pedophile's invisible friend have got us into the start of WWIII, so uh, I'd say it does matter, dude.

 

yep, that simple pamphlet is all that's needed to reverse an entire culture that was taught the opposite for thousands of years.

 

That directly affects people, because they believe they have a mandate to rape and murder. The worst thing I can think of some Christians are their stance on abortions that protect the mother's health. But due to our (thankfully) secular governance, it's a non-issue. If a Christian theocracy starts to influence laws, I'll be right there with you condemning them. Gay marriage was the last remnant of Christian oppression IMO.

 

Too bad that JESUS never spoke up for the rights of the billions of gay people (who have lived over the years), or slaves - he didn't have enough love in his heart to do that. Apparently "money changers" are far more of a concern to Jesus than those who kill innocent people like gays or who enslave people.

 

They must get at the source of the atrocity (Mohammad's example and the Qur'an) before any real progress can be made. Who is a pious Muslim to believe, Allah (Q4:34 which says to beat women) the all-knowing creator of the entire universe, or some godless Infidels who "shun god's message" and who are of a different race than they are and who even speak a different language? WWIII has begun. Germany is one of the many battle-fronts.

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Well, only if you care about people it does.

 

Jesus was merely a product of his times. Since I don't believe he was a deity, I understand why his views were similar to others regarding that. Yes, many innocent people have died throughout history as a result of Christianity. As western society has become more secular, these instances of violence have begun to dissipate.

We can't forget that there are many instances of Atheism resulting in the deaths of countless people as well though. The former Soviet Union and China being two examples.

Any form of worship can herald mass atrocities. Whether it be a belief in deities or in a political ideology. They believe they are committing mass atrocities for the right reasons. It's like the old saying goes,"The road to hell is paved with good intentions."

 

I'm not arrogant enough to believe I have all the answers. While I do believe that the odds of a "god" are practically nil, I don't understand how me not caring what others believe equates to me not caring about others.

 

They are delusional, and you are not, so they need your help.

 

Modern Secular Humanism (Dawkins/Harris et al) believes in democracy and freedom, big-time, so its moved beyond the communism/totalitarianism/"statism" that was so dangerous.
Just because Modern Secular Humanism is guided by science and not magic and superstition, does not mean that we believe like Stalin and Mao etc. did.

"As western society has become more secular, these instances of violence have begun to dissipate. ".....in other words, the farther we get away from the insanity of believing that Jesus was magic, and that science takes a back seat to magic, the better off society becomes.

 

FreedomSeeker........do you think that Modern Secular Humanism might be ready for the idea.......... that each human life may well have intrinsic value......… that is practically INFINITE...… to an intelligence that has evolved in fundamental or nearly fundamental energy?

http://www.politicalforum.com/polit...national-wealth-must-occur-order-finance.html

A massive reevaluation of national wealth must occur in order to finance....



..... the shift over to a truly green and sustainable economy!

I just got back a brilliant summary of the numbers for the national wealth of the world's leading economies but.......
... it is apparent to me that we must look at these numbers and rethink the entire formula....... if we wish to finance the shift over to a truly green, truly sustainable economy.... and do it with the minimum amount of economic, political and social upheaval?!



.................

IF..... each human life has essentially INFINITE VALUE...… to an intelligence well beyond any human THEN....... the company known as Monsanto......… has been given real wealth almost beyond our ability to put into numbers....... because the USA government has placed a huge stock of ancient seeds at their disposal.......THEREFORE...… the mindless minions of the public image of Richard Dawkins Ph. D. ..... (who is clearly lying when he terms himself an Atheist...… he is actually an Agnostic considering his statements on the possibility of an alien civilization evolving and perhaps playing a role in human evolution or even in our history?!)...............… have taken the massive company Monsanto...… toward metaphorical darkness / death.... by convincing them to go into Terminator Seed technology..... when all the time... they were sitting on value far far far far far beyond what is stored at Fort Knox??????!!!!!!

..............

http://www.politicalforum.com/polit...-could-utah-state-dollar-save-usa-dollar.html

Could a Utah State Dollar save the USA Dollar?



Have you seen any of the following films:

1. The Future of Food
2. Food Inc
3. The World According to Monsanto.

If so..... then you know that the USA dollar to some degree is linked to and backed up by a plan to control the world's production of food in such a way that could eventually produce global famine.


"George Soros says that America must give up the dollar and accept world currency."

http://www.examiner.com/article/geo...aggregation&fb_aggregation_id=288381481237582

 

I hope you don't mind.... but I quoted your question and my answer......(post #4..... over to this other discussion.......... Monsanto is terribly UNDERVALUED....... due to serious flaws in the thought patterns of the people who consider themselves to be the most enlightened...… educated.... and accurate?!


http://www.politicalforum.com/showthread.php?t=349935&page=5&p=1065834133#post1065834133


Could a Utah State Dollar save the USA Dollar?



......
The sales people over at Monsanto who have managed to direct that massive company toward death / terminator seed technology............. have in my opinion made a terrible error?! (I am of course referring back to the opening post)!

 

The Bible basically teaches that the earth is there for our taking, to exploit as we see fit, and to not worry too much about protecting it because the zombie from Nazareth will return and the world will be destroyed (see Revelation), but Modern Secular Humanism is a much "greener" belief system.