How much of Palestine should the Arabs get back? - <MOD WARNING>

no ISIS leaders there, just basic foot soldiers

 

... of ISIL, To whom Israel gives aid and comfort.

What, no more ripping off your shirt as a sign of outrage? Past the knee-jerk reaction, it makes perfect sense; Israel and Turkey opposes the government of Syria, so they give carte blanche to "the insurgency". On the other side of the line; Kurds, Syria, the Russians and Hizbollah.

It's an observed pattern; Israel priviledges the radical opposition in surrounding states just to throw them off-balance and as such make them vulnerable to the apartheist state's ambitions. That's what they've done with Hamas against PLO. They've created a Frankenstein that now blunders about the countryside, on a background of zionist whinings.

 

you said ISIL leadership.

where's your evidence?

 

Either try to support your falsehood that the Khazarian Jewish origin is: "....its a Neo-Nazi bull(*)(*)(*)(*) theory,...." or quit wasting my time with the usual Hasbara evasion ploys.

This is the 3rd (if not 4th) time I've asked you to post ANY credible study OR news article that refutes the fact that Khazaria was the region from which many (if not most all) Jews originated

From Wikipedia / Dictionary
"Khazar |k&#601;&#712;zär|
noun
"a member of a Turkic people who occupied a large part of southern Russia from the 6th to the 11th centuries and who converted to Judaism in the 8th century."


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"Since the former Khazar empire region was the departing homeland of so many inhabitants who profess to be Jews, it is preposterous to contend that any tribal group can maintain a pure racial identity." [1]



[1] “Israeli Report admits they are Descendants of Khazars”
“Leaked report: Israel acknowledges Jews in fact Khazars; Secret plan for reverse migration to Ukraine, “

http://blogs.timesofisrael.com/leak...secret-plan-for-reverse-migration-to-ukraine/
EXCERPT ““Israel seems finally to have thrown in the towel. A blue-ribbon team of scholars from leading research institutions and museums has just issued a secret report to the government, acknowledging that European Jews are in fact Khazars.
In 2012, Israeli researcher Eran Elhaik published a study claiming to prove that Khazar ancestry is the single largest element in the Ashkenazi gene pool.

Historically it is undeniable that large number of Jews from Eastern Europe and Russia migrated out of that area. Many resettled in Israel. Most adopted pro-Zionist politics.
“As you know,” the spokesman continued, “the Prime Minister has said time and again: we are a proud and ancient people whose history here goes back 4,000 years. The same is true of the Khazars: just back in Europe and not quite as long

Since the former Khazar empire region was the departing homeland of so many inhabitants who profess to be Jews, it is preposterous to contend that any tribal group can maintain a pure racial identity.
State of Israel has invested resources into the study and promotion of archeology, in part to demonstrate and strengthen the connection of the Jewish people to the Land of Israel,

Preparing Jewish converts, from the Khazars lineage, need not to be based solely upon DNA. What is important is that the political objectives of Zionism be recognized as harmful to humanity. Religion is not the issue, because Zionists reject their own biblical mores."CONTINUED

 

The more reason why people like me need to counter all the distortions about the real issue and the real issue is that the Palestinian from day one have refused to recognize Israel's territories, right to exist, right to live in peace free from terrorism and most of all the refusal of the Palestinians to work with the UN that is why they are not getting any support from Russia, USA, UK or France.

if the Palestinians keep up with their anti Israel policies they will end up loosing the entire West Bank and Gaza and so far the Palestinians have show no sign they want peace they have only themselves to blame.

 

there is no recent or thorough genetic study showing a strong link between Ashkenazi/Sephardi Jews and the peoples of the Caucasus

 

Where's the difference?

 

In 2010, Atzmon et al. presented work refuting large-scale genetic contributions of Central and Eastern European and Slavic populations to the formation of Ashkenazi Jewry. Ashkenazi Jews, part of European/Syrian Jewish populations, shared a proximity to each other and to French, Northern Italian, and Sardinian populations which was found to be incompatible with any theory maintaining that the Askhenazi were direct lineal descendants of Khazars or Slavs. They did allow that some Slavic or Khazarian admixture might have taken place during the second millennium, and noted that the 7.5% prevalence of the R1a1 haplogroup., common among Ukrainians, Russians and Sorbs, as well as among Central Asian populations, among Ashkenazi Jews has led to interpretations for a possible Slavic or Khazar admixture, although this admixture may have resulted only from mixing with Ukrainians, Poles, or Russians, rather than with the Khazars.[80]

Geneticist Eran Elhaik has argued that his genetic work proves the Khazar hypothesis. Elhaik writes: "Strong evidence for the Khazarian hypothesis is the clustering of European Jews with the populations that reside on opposite ends of ancient Khazaria: Armenians, Georgians, and Azerbaijani Jews. Because Caucasus populations remained relatively isolated in the Caucasus region and because there are no records of Caucasus populations mass-migrating to Eastern and Central Europe prior to the fall of Khazaria (Balanovsky et al. 2011), these findings imply a shared origin for European Jews and Caucasus populations."[81] The study was criticized for its use of Armenians and Azerbaijani Jews as proxies for Khazars and for using Beduin and Jordanian Hashemites as a proxy for the Ancient Israelites. The former decision was criticized because Armenians were assumed to have a monolithic Caucasian ancestry, when as an Anatolian people (rather than Turkic) they contain many genetically Middle Eastern elements. Azerbaijani Jews are also assumed for the purposes of the study to have Khazarian ancestry. The decision to cast Bedouin/Hashemites as "proto-Jews" was especially seen as political in nature, considering that both have origins in Arab tribes from the Arabian Peninsula rather than from the Ancient Israelites, while the descent of the Jews from the Israelites is largely accepted. [82][83] The study was also criticized as interpreting information selectively—The study found far more genetic similarity between the Druze and Ashkenazim than the Ashkenazim and Armenians, but Elhaik rejected this as indicating a common Semitic origin, instead interpreting it as evidence of Druze having Turkic origins when they are known to come from Syria.

Genetic research published by Balanovsky in 2011[citation needed] confirmed high rates of the so-called Cohen gene Haplogroup J-M267 amongst several Caucasian peoples, namely the Avars, Dargins, Kubachi, Kaitak and Lezghins.

The majority consensus of geneticists conducting Jewish genetic experimentation have refuted Dr. Elhaik's methods and work. University of Arizona geneticist Michael Hammer called Elhaik's premise "unrealistic," calling Elhaik and other Khazarian hypothesis proponents "outlier folks… who have a minority view that’s not supported scientifically. I think the arguments they make are pretty weak and stretching what we know." Marcus Feldman, director of Stanford University's Morrison Institute for Population and Resource Studies, echoes Hammer. "If you take all of the careful genetic population analysis that has been done over the last 15 years… there’s no doubt about the common Middle Eastern origin," he said. He added that Elhaik’s paper "is sort of a one-off." Elhaik’s statistical analysis would not pass muster with most contemporary scholars, Feldman said: "He appears to be applying the statistics in a way that gives him different results from what everybody else has obtained from essentially similar data."[84]

In 2013, the results of the largest genetic study on Jews released by the Wayne State University found that Ashkenazi, North African, and Sephardi Jews shared substantial genetic ancestry, that they derive from Middle Eastern and European populations and found no detectable Khazar genetic origins.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khazar_theory_of_Ashkenazi_ancestry#Genetics

 

ccording to Jon Entine, historians and scientists believe the Khazarian theory should more accurately be called a myth.[86] A 2013 study of Ashkenazi mitochondrial DNA found no significant evidence of Khazar contribution to the Ashkenazi Jewish DNA, as would be predicted by the Khazar hypothesis[87] and although there is no historical or DNA evidence to support the Khazar idea, Alan Unterman maintains that it is still popular in some Arab states.[88]

The strong claim that Ashkenazis as a whole take their origin from Khazars has been widely criticized as there is no direct evidence to support it.[89][90] In addition, Ashkenazi Jews have been found to have a strong DNA connection to Israelites and the Middle East,[91] sharing many common genes with other Jews from some 3000 years ago.,[92][93] therefore it "does not support this [Khazar conversion] idea[94]

Using four Jewish groups, one being Ashkenazi, a Kopelman et al study found no direct evidence to the Khazar theory[95] while another research concluded that its findings "debunk one of the most questionable, but still tenacious, hypotheses: that most Ashkenazi Jews can trace their roots to the mysterious Khazar Kingdom that flourished during the ninth century in the region between the Byzantine Empire and the Persian Empire".[96] Some scientists believe that even if the theory were to be true, "only a small minority of the Khazars may have adopted Judaism."[97] and that "the questions of whether there was a Khazar contribution to the Ashkenazi Jews' lineage, or exactly what percentage of mitochondrial variants emanate from Europe, cannot be answered with certainty using present genetic and geographical data".[98]

 

"The Arabs"?
You mean Jordan.
Jordan gave up it's claim on the West Bank almost 30 years ago -- they - :"the Arabs" - don't want it back.
And so, the obvious answer: None.

 

Where did you get that one ????

 

And there is a false statement, by the time anyone reached the gas chamber, they were completely naked, they were told they were to shower, all clothing and eye glasses were recycled, even the gold in their teeth.

 

This page you linked, is one of Wikipedia's zionist battlegrounds. You will learn much more by reading the "talk" page than the actual article, which is highly contested (and even nominated for deletion), and considered a "zionist hilltop forteress".

 

doesn't change the fact that there have been many more recent and thorough genetic studies that debunk the Khazar origin theory, and turn it into possible Khazar admixture, but limited.

 

Why are you so confrontational? If anything I gave you new sources to support your hypothesis. I don't need my opponent's ignorance to win a debate.

I have read some or parts of them, and after due consideration, I give more cred to the Khazarian hypothesis, for the aformentionned facts on the ground. You don't like it, fine, I ain't proletyzing. But in any case I prefer your present rational tone to the slogan-shooting persona you had a few posts ago.

 

how was i being confrontational?

you're the one who tells people to lay off the Jewishness.

look in the mirror bro, before you accuse others of hostility

 

Well, not so much confrontational than rather extremist. I edited my post mere second before your answer, as I felt what I wrote gave the exact feel you denounce.

 

thats nice.

the fact is, if you put all the genetic data together, you get the concept that the Khazars had a small admixture into the DNA of the Ashkenazi peoples.

the Ashkenazis are decended from the Khazars? that's just cacamayme nonsense.

 

Our pro Zionist friends get their panties in an even bigger knot when confronted with the fact that the early IDF was successful partially because so many of its members & leaders were former Wehrmacht & Waffen SS members. The IDF would and, apparently, does take anybody.

I think that it's important to remember that Germany's fight was primarily against the spread of Communism.

If their goal were to "Conquer the World" they would have "Finished off" the French & English armies at Dunkirk.

The German military, including the WW 2 Wehrmacht, had always remained apolitical with the exception of the SS.
Wehrmacht members were not allowed to be members of or espouse any political opinions or beliefs.

Among the "Renovations" that took place at the various, altered "Concentration Camp" Museums (i.e. Dachau) were the jails in which cruel, murderous or abusive SS members were imprisoned.

In spite of lingering WW 2, Allied propaganda & the tomes of distorted holocaust lore, the German military members were no more ruthless, murderous or cannibalistic than the WW 1 German Military members who were distorted in the same way.

Remember the ludicrous WW 1 Propaganda Posters of Ape-like Huns eating women & children?

Much of what claims to be European Theater WW 2 history mimics the same exaggerated propaganda only in text.

The Waffen SS including the "Totenkopf" SS however, was political (i.e National Socialists vs Communists) & was simply what would be called, today, "Special Forces". The "Totenkopf" SS however were assigned as Occupiers & C.Camp guards but were just as likely to be punished for "excesses" under ethical superior officers or ethical Camp Commanders in spite of what is stated in the article I cited, below..

The bulk of death, disease, & starvation was throughout all of Germany as the Allies bombed civilian infrastructure with the same or greater enthusiasm as they did Military (to destroy the German morale that kept them fighting long after most would have surrendered out of fear of the Communists


I rarely post this much quoted text but it seemed to address your interests:


“WERE THERE NON-NAZI GERMAN SOLDIERS IN WW 2?”
http://www.wisegeek.com/were-there-non-nazi-german-soldiers-in-wwii.htm

"There were certainly non-Nazi German soldiers in World War II (WWII), although many members of the German armed forces were ideologically supportive of or even affiliated with Nazism and Hitler. From one perspective, however, because members of the German armed forces weren’t allowed to affiliate with a political party, one could say all German soldiers in WWII were non-Nazis. The Nazi political party, however, had its own armed soldiers in the Waffen-SS and these soldiers therefore were Nazi soldiers.

The term Nazi is used to denote members of the National Socialist party, the political party Hitler rode to power and that eventually became the dominant political party in Germany during the war. The term, however, is often generalized to refer to all German combatants in WWII, as a way of differentiating that era of soldier from other German soldiers. By noting the fact that many soldiers in WWII were not Nazis, some people believe it seems to impugn all Germans at the time, some of whom were not directly supporting Hitler or the policies of Nazism.

The armed forces in Germany, consisting largely of non-Nazi German soldiers, was called the Wehrmacht. It was made up of three main branches: the navy (Kriegsmarine), the air force (Luftwaffe), and the army (Heer). Later, a fourth branch, the Waffen-SS, fell under its general jurisdiction, although it was also under the Schutzstaffel, or SS, which was controlled by the Nazi political party. Following World War I, strong limits were set on Germany’s military, the Reichswehr, restricting the amount of members it could have, and the equipment they could use. By the 1920s, Germany had begun to circumvent these restrictions covertly, growing their military strength and acquiring new equipment.

When Hitler took power in 1934, he began to grow the military even more. He reinstituted conscription, and began the work of building Germany’s military might dramatically. One way he did this was to create a new military body, the Wehrmacht, which would eventually become a mighty force. Many view the Wehrmacht as a Nazi group because it was created by Hitler and because members had to take an oath of loyalty to the Führer.

Though many link the Wehrmacht to Nazism, it can also be viewed as being made up exclusively of non-Nazi German soldiers in WWII, as the rules of the Weimar Republic’s constitution disallowed soldiers from holding political affiliations or voting. In fact, many members of the Wehrmacht in later years were staunchly opposed to Hitler and the Nazi policies, especially after Hitler began displaying dangerous tendencies towards throwing away strategic intelligence in favor of an emotionally driven hostility.

If the Wehrmacht can be looked at as consisting largely of non-Nazi German soldiers, then we have to look elsewhere to find the majority of Nazi soldiers. That’s where the Schutzstaffel, or SS, becomes important. The SS was a paramilitary organization that grew to the scope of a full blown army under Hitler’s leadership, and consisted entirely of Nazi party members. It was the SS that was responsible for the majority of the worst atrocities committed, while the non-Nazi German soldiers in WWII were primarily fighting on the different fronts of the war against foreign militaries.”END

 

Please post something a little more credible than your assertion:

Re: "German Jews numbered less than one percent of the population."

 

"Small admixture"? Then how come you're such a white boy?

That's what I mean when I write about "facts on the ground".

 

lay off the hostility, bro, or I shall stop talking to you

 

Am I in taboo territory here? Let me re-phrase:

You wrote you were Ashkenazi; do you consider yourself more caucasian, or more mediterranean in terms of outwardly appearance?

(PC enough?)

 

"A CREDIBLE source"

Unfortunately, Wikipedia has become the playground of Hasbara Propagandists:

“Wikipedia editing courses launched by Zionist groups”
http://vaticproject.blogspot.com/2010/08/wikipedia-editing-courses-launched-by.html
EXCERPT “Two Israeli groups have set up 'Zionist editing' courses with aims to alter perceptions about Israel.
Yesha Council, representing the Jewish settler movement, and the rightwing Israel Sheli (My I srael) movement, ran their first workshop this week in Jerusalem, teaching participants how to rewrite and revise some of the most hotly disputed pages of the online reference site.”CONTINUED



“Aligning text to the right: Is a political organization editing Wikipedia to suit its interests?”
http://www.haaretz.com/news/features/.premium-1.530285
EXCERPT “One of the best-known cases took place in 2008 when the Israel advocacy organization CAMERA called for volunteers to begin an editing campaign.
CAMERA officials told the volunteers then: “There is no reason to advertise the fact that we have these group discussions.”CONTINUED



“Zionist Wikipedia Editing Course”
http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/139189#.VUeAds02UzY

EXCERPT “The strategy and goal of the course is to educate and enable an 'army' of editors of Wikipedia, giving them the professional skills to write and edit the online encyclopedia's content in a manner which defends and promotes Israel's image.”CONTINUED



“Zionists Manipulating Internet And Wikipedia”
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9mJ7EjJ0goU


“How Governments Twist Terrorism”
u.s. department of justice caught editing wikipedia for zionist benefit

 

"" According to the census of June 1933 the Jewish population of Germany totaled 499,682. By September 1939 the emigration of something over 200,000, Persecution and natural population decline had reduced the number to around 215,000. ""

In 1933 the population of Germany was 65,362,115. That's a Jewish population of less then one percent. .7644% to be a bit more exact.