The Japanese were trying to make an atomic bomb, too

By Robert K. Wilcox
May 28, 2016

In all the press about Obama visiting Hiroshima, Japan, where the U.S. dropped the first atomic bomb on its enemy in 1945, not one word has surfaced about the fact that the Japanese were, at the same time, working on their own atomic bomb, and would have used it on Americans had they been able. Nor has anything been said about the fact that they were much closer to making an atomic bomb than most Americans know.

The Japanese had begun a program to develop a “uranium” bomb even before the sneak attacked on Pearl Harbor in December 1941, killing some 2000 Americans and starting war with America. They had top scientists working on their atomic bomb, including a future Nobel-prize winner, Hideki Yukawa. Over the course of the war they spent millions on the program, hunting uranium, building crucial separators, designing a workable bomb, and elevating their program to a top priority at the end of the war as they frantically sought “miracle” weapons with which to turn the tide going against them. Had America not used its atomic bombs and instead invaded the Japanese mainland, the Japanese were planning to use atomic weapons on the invasion fleet, which certainly would have been devastating. Kamikazis had been bad enough. Imagine if they had been armed with nuclear weapons.

Of course none of this was mentioned by Barack Obama in his non-apology apology in Japan. He may or may not even know about this history, so successful has been the effort by both Japan and the American Left to bury it. Both want the Japanese to appear solely as victims of the bomb. It keeps Japan’s conscience clear for their part in World War II’s atrocities, and helped, after the war, gain sorely needed aid. For the Left, it makes attacking America easier if this part of the world’s atomic bomb story remains buried.

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The Japanese scientists knew how to make a bomb. Plans discovered in 2002 showed an actual diagram of their bomb. Their problem was industrial strength and fissionable material. There wasn’t a lot in Japan. They had to import uranium – and other fissionable ores like thorium, which may have figured more into their nuclear plans. One of the main program areas in Tokyo, the Rikken lab, developed separators for isolating isotopes so important in nuclear bomb making. But in early 1945, the lab was destroyed by B-29 bombers. A Rikken separator however was used as a prototype by Sumitomo and multiple separators were moved to Korea, which was relatively free of bombing. There were also Japanese atomic bomb efforts operating in Manchuria and elsewhere in China about which less is known.



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This is not a new revelation. It has been known for years that both Germany and Japan worked together sharing their technology to build nuclear weapons. Had either of them developed a nuclear capability, I'm sure that the West coast up to the Mississippi would be speaking Japanese and from Maine to the Mississippi German would be spoken today. But hey, let's blame America for being 'firstus' with the 'mostus' and ending WWII.
Obama could have visited the Arizona where our men are still entombed following the Japanese attack at Pearl Harbor. He could have spoke about the Bataan death march that killed many of the American war prisoners. He could have also spoken about the fact that American POWs died in the Japanese camps at a far greater rate than American POWs in German war camps. The whole point of Obama's reign has been to blame American. It does not matter that the Japanese attacked America and mistreated their prisoners both American, British, Australian, Malaysian, Philippino and Chinese. He did this apology tour during Memorial Day Weekend to stick in the eye of the American people and America. A huge part of growing up is having the Truth bust in and obliterate our uninformed, cheap and easy romantic notions about the way things truly are.

 

Not only this, but they conducted experiments with live humans in a Mengele- like manner. Experiments meant to develop biological and chemical weapons. The Japanese Empire deserved to get hit with the first fusion weapons, what they got was not enough.

 

The Japanese didn't surrender because America dropped the bomb on them. The firebombings of Tokyo and other cities were far more deadly and they didn't stop then, and the Japanese high command took a good while to meet after the first bomb and weren't aware of the second bomb by the time surrender talks had already begun.

If you look at the timing, you'll see that the Japanese surrendered after they found out that the USSR was going to be going to war with them. Before, Japan hoped that Stalin, as a neutral party, would be able to help them negotiate to keep Korea, parts of China, and other land they had conquered. Once that hope was dashed, they had nothing to gain from their continued fighting: Their very purpose, expanding Japanese territory, was defeated.

The US dropping atomic bombs on civillians was a genocidal act of posturing, an attempt to strike fear into the rest of the world and secure their status as a superpower.

 

In the diplomacy world the goal is to heal wounds, not dump salt in them as you'd no doubt wish would have happened.
With tact like that, you'd make a lousy diplomat.

 

I've read that. The bombings might have hastened their surrender, and the Japanese Empire shared a border with Eastern Russia, far from the factories and population centers that helped win the European War.

I agree with you though. Part of the reason for the bombings may have been to get Japan to surrender, but it was a message to Stalin as well.

 

More Japanese civilians died in the fire bombing of Tokyo than Hiroshima, and Nagasaki combined.

 

The plan was to quickly liquidate the Chinese population. The Japanese research facility in Manchuria was massive.

 

Nice side step and deflection. In the world of diplomacy, unless you're the loser, you don't go on apology tours. In effect, Obama did apologize not in words but in his presence at Hiroshima. Please note that the Japanese have never apologized for their atrocities against the Chinese for the estimated 17 million civilians they killed, or the number of British, Australian and American POW's they tortured, worked to death or outright murdered. In at least one case I know of a Japanese prison commander ate the liver of an American soldier. Then there's that famous Unit-731 that used American and British POW's in medical experiments

Japanese Cannibalism Against Allied & Other POW's!
http://www.ww2f.com/topic/30800-japanese-cannibalism-against-allied-other-pows/
Japanese Cannibalism Against Allied ... Are you admiring the Japanese or not? The fact they Eat POW's ... Major Motoba pleaded guilty and admitted that he ate parts ...

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Crimes of War – Medical Experiments on POWs
http://www.crimesofwar.org/a-z-guide/medical-experiments-on-pows/
Medical Experiments ... Graver still was the decision on the part of the Japanese medical establishment as Japan’s army conquered ... a surgeon used American POWs ...

 

No Pearl Harbor, no bombs. The fault is 100% on Japanese high command. They attacked first but we won. Japan's hands were filthy long before we had to show them what real power means. There is no reason to shed a tear. They turned out just fine.


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They developed them and developed sub launched aircraft to deliver them. I forget why they backed off that attack which would have been successful but it was toward the end of the war when we were already firebombing them.

 

I don't know where you got you history from. But Russia entered the war with Japan on August 8th two days after the first nuke was dropped. The genocidal act you claim saved an estimated 1.2 million casualties, with 267,000 KIA had we invaded the main islands of Japan. See Operation Coronet, Operation Olympic, Operation Downfall,

Operation Downfall - 'History Learning Site'
http://www.historylearningsite.co.uk/world-war-two/the-pacific-war-1941-to-1945/operation-downfall/
Operation Downfall was the name given to the planned invasion of Japan. Operation Downfall itself ... task of invading Japan with the projected massive casualties ...

 

Although I and most American's will absolutely not support any attempt by any President to give Japan an apology for the Nuclear Bombings of two of their cities even though Japan and Germany were trying to build a nuclear bomb....neither of them were even close.

There is a few different way and bomb designs that will work to generate Nuclear Fission and of course even though we now use Fusion it still first takes a Nuclear Fission Reaction to generate the necessary directed force and temperature to cause a Thermonuclear Fusion Detonation.

The basic 4 Fission designs back then were....

#1. The Gun Barrel Design using Uranium which is by far the easiest as an amount of Weapons Grade Uranium is effectively SHOT into a larger amount of Uranium creating Critical Mass and the bomb has within it a sort of Gun Barrel and this bomb is long and much longer than the FAT MAN Plutonium Implosion type fission device.

#2. The Gun Barrel Plutonium Design which is basically the same as the gun barrel Uranium bomb design except due to the use of Plutonium the bombs..."GUN BARREL"....must be much longer than the Uranium version and thus this Fission Bomb design was not made as the length of the bomb made it impracticable as far as loading and dropping it out of a B-29.

#3. The FAT MAN or Plutonium Implosion Fission Bomb which uses very carefully calibrated and designed Plastique Explosives Panels that surround a perfect sphere of Plutonium and when detonated the implosion of the Plutonium generated Nuclear Fission....there are other aspects to this but I do not want to get over technical.

#4. The Uranium Implosion Fission Bomb which is basically the same as #3 except Uranium is used.

Now.....some might say there is a #5 as it is possible to use a COMBINATION of U-235 and Pu-239 in the Implosion Design but the design is still the same.

As well there also exists the Staged Thermonuclear Weapons Design which are essentially a chain of fusion-boosted fission weapons...but this does not pertain to WWII U.S. Military Nuclear Designs.

Anyways....neither Germany nor Japan was even CLOSE to developing a nuclear bomb and although they had plans they either did not have the weapons grade Uranium or Plutonium nor were they even close to the extremely fine calibrations necessary for the Implosion Design.

Nuclear Weapons were first developed by the United States back in 1945 and it is important to note that even the Soviet Union would not have developed Nuclear Weapons for many, many years later if they were not able to STEAL the U.S. Designs and Calibrations.

Even though Nuclear Weapons were developed by the United States over 70 years ago even today nations like Iran have found it exceedingly difficult to develop them.

AA

 

You're correct. General Curtis LeMay took a page from the Brit's and began firebombing Japan's main cities.

 

1. The Japanese were years away from a working atomic bomb.

2. They did not have a single aircraft that could carry one.

 

You were credible up until this part... now it's pure bull(*)(*)(*)(*).

 

The Japanese didn't give a damn that we dropped the bomb. They cared that Russia entered the war. They didn't start talking about unconditional surrender until then, but the bomb didn't even give them pause. The idea that the bomb saved lives is based on bad history. All it did was kill more civilians.

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Exactly. The idea that Hiroshima and Nagasaki were special in the eyes of the Japanese High Command is a myth peddled by the USA. The true horrors of those bombings came in the aftermath, and things didn't go long enough for them to hear about it.

 

Does the idea of generals throwing away lives to make a point seem far fetched to you? It doesn't to me.

 

First of all Russia was not even capable of sending any viable military force into Japan.

That is a fallacy.

Secondly the Japanese Army that basically ran the show and controlled the Emperor would NEVER SURRENDER!!

Even after the first Nuclear Bomb was dropped they refused to surrender!!.

They also refused to surrender after the 2nd bomb was dropped and it took the Emperor and high ranking members of the Japanese Navy to finally force the Japanese Army Leadership to agree to surrender.

The Japanese were of the Divine Wind Mythology Mentality and if you knew about Japanese History and how twice when Japan was about to be destroyed by invading army's from Asia two storms at to different times wiped out the invading enemy's troop carrier ships.

As far as the Japanese Army Leadership was concerned as they were of the Bushido Code and Mentality....they believed no matter how bad things got that in the end a supernatural event would deliver them victory!!

The nuclear bombing of those two Japanese cities saved MILLIONS OF LIVES!!!

AA

 

Atomic plans returned to Japan
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/2170881.stm
A photograph published in the newspaper shows diagrams and drawings of a bomb, together with text written by a military officer who interviewed the scientist at the head of the atomic bomb development team.
Experts who have examined the documents do not believe the bomb would have been very powerful.

 

The first bomb didn't phase them and they were meeting before the second bomb hit. The only thing that fits the timeline is Russia's involvement: Not because of Russia's military might, but because it was a hit to Japan's last remaining hope to get their territorial claims recognized.

 

It would have taken the Soviet's TWO YEARS to just travel the distance from the Western Soviet Union and Europe where the entire Russian Army was located to Japan.

Unlike the United States the Soviet's had very little in the way of Force Projection and even if and when the Soviet Army reached the Pacific coast they STILL would have a hard time getting to Japan even island hopping as the Soviet Union had virtually NO TROOP CARRIER SHIPS!!!

The Soviet's were NEVER capable of invading Japan back then.

AA

 

And those guilty of crimes against humanity were punished up to and including death at the conclusion of the war.

 

Tell that to the Chinese or Koreans who suffered the most at the hands of the Japanese Army.

AA

 

Evidently, you weren't reading closely enough the last two times I said it:

The Japanese were hoping that the USSR could help negotiate a conditional surrender that would allow them to keep territory. Once the Soviets turned hostile, that hope no longer existed.

Actually read what I'm saying before you comment on it.

 

You: This is not a new revelation. It has been known for years that both Germany and Japan worked together sharing their technology to build nuclear weapons.

No (*)(*)(*)(*), Sherlock, yet you found an irresistible urge to remind us anyway. Lol.