Potential Alternatives to the Capitalist System

No, that's false. They built on (or drained) solid ground that was covered by water. You know this.

It's not the resource that has moral value, it's the forcible removal of people's liberty to use it. You just have to find some way of not knowing that fact.

Garbage. The state has already been imposed. It has been imposed forcibly, by and for landowners on everyone else. That's what the state IS: the sovereign authority over a specific area of land. The only question is, will it perform that function to secure and reconcile the equal rights of all to life, liberty, and property in the fruits of their labor, or only in the narrow financial interest of a small, wealthy, greedy, privileged, parasitic minority of landowners. You just want the state to help landowners rob and enslave everyone else.

Absurd nonsense with no basis in fact or logic. Unlike feudal libertarians, geolibertarians actually advocate liberty, not enslavement by landowners.

Huh? Incomprehensible.

 

Just buy it from someone willing to sell, at a price close to the pre-paid rent.

 

Yes, but the publicly created value of the land would no longer be theirs to pocket in return for nothing.

First you need to understand the dual problem of private landownership: the first is that the landowner (with government's help) forcibly excludes others from exercising their rights to liberty. That is a legalized crime committed against them. The second is that the landowner is privileged to pocket the economic advantage government and the community create for the land user through their normal activities. That is a subsidy to the landowner at the expense of taxpayers. The land tax recovers the subsidy, and the universal individual exemption (UIE) to it restores people's liberty to use land to access economic opportunity.

 

That and a uniform, universal, individual exemption from it sufficient to enable everyone to have free, secure, exclusive tenure on enough of the available advantageous land of their choice to have access to economic opportunity.

 

Government currently charges much LESS than the free market price for use of its land. Your claims are uniformly false and absurd.

That is not the proposal. You have no facts or logic to offer, so you just make $#!+ up and attribute it to us. Simple.

 

It already has that power. That's what government IS: the sovereign authority over a specific area of land. The only question is, will it perform that function in the interest and to secure the equal rights of all the people, or only in the narrow financial interest of a small, rich, greedy, privileged, parasitic minority of landowners?

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You are just saying anything now.

Franklin and Jefferson both supported land value taxation, and it was the only source of federal revenue in the Articles of Confederation.

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The market determines value. Stop makin' $#!+ up.

They currently exist only to extract wealth from the productive.

 

Private landowning consigns billions of the landless to poverty, which kills about 12M-15M of them every year. So the total death toll of socialism in the 20th C is matched by landowning about every ten years.

False. People who had a right to use land were entirely able to have healthy and abundant lives. It was those who had to pay rent to parasites just for existing that were at or below subsistence.

 

Ownership of land would be only an administrative formality, as the right to benefit from ownership -- a necessary requirement of private property rights -- would be lost. Don't mistake form for substance. The substance of capitalist landowning -- the root cause of capitalist exploitation of workers -- would be gone.

 

Trustee administration is not ownership. Land can never rightly be owned, not by government any more than by private individuals.

 

You don't know what states would do, and it's irrelevant to the fact that location subsidy repayment is a better way to raise public revenue. They should at least use that FIRST.

But those ways would be inferior.

Wrong.

Land value tax recovers publicly created land rent for public purposes and benefit. Why do you demand that this publicly created value continue to be given away to privileged private parasites in return for nothing?

 

Ridiculous and bizarre. Where do you get this stuff ??

 

The ignore list eliminates such stuff.

 

Good advice.

 

is this 100% pure stupid liberal BS or is there one respected person on earth who agrees with it???

 

So you're proposing leaving land in private hands but implementing a new tax on land?

How does this solve the problem of land ownership?

How does this solve [MENTION=13235]geofree[/MENTION]'s concern that landowners could throw a baby girl into the sea because they don't want to allow her on their land?

I mean, other than changing the tax burden distribution, how does this change capitalism in any way?

 

Facts of objective physical reality.

By being willing to know facts you have decided not to know.

 

I.e., it insulates you from exposure to facts that prove your beliefs are false and evil.

 

great, a libNazi who wants the govt to kill millions to take away their property like Stalin and Mao did is talking about false and evil beliefs!!

 

It is fact.

Facts don't require the respected to agree with them. The fact is, you cannot refute what I said.

Fact: about 12M-15M people die of poverty every year.
Fact: almost all of them are landless in societies where exclusive private land ownership has deprived them of their liberty to use land to sustain themselves, and government does not intervene massively to rescue them from enslavement by landowners.
Fact: The removal of their liberty to sustain themselves is uncompensated, resulting in their permanent impoverishment and high probability of early death.

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Great, someone who struggles to construct a grammatical sentence believes that makin' $#!+ up and attributing it to others constitutes an argument.

 

so then you are the only person on earth who supports your position??? This is a yes or no question for the libsocialist who wants to see millions killed by govt as it steals their property.

 

Enacting a new tax on current landowners will not solve this problem. People will still be enslaved by landowners. These landowners will merely have to pay a LVT.

 

And a universal individual exemption thereto, sufficient to ensure free, secure tenure on an advantageous enough available location of their choice to access economic opportunity. That's crucial.

By removing the landowner's privilege of stealing from the community, and restoring the individual right to liberty. We've been through this already.

She and her parents or other responsible adult caregivers would have their UIEs, as already explained twice.

It removes the principal cause of unjust inequality and exploitation of labor, and restores the incentive to productive work and investment. It's not the only reform required to really achieve liberty, justice and prosperity, but it's by far the most important one.

 

I think [MENTION=13235]geofree[/MENTION] also supports a LVT.

 

The tax alone will solve a large part of the problem by removing equivalent unfair and destructive taxes, increasing the efficiency and productivity of land use, and eliminating speculation, exchange value, and the associated barriers to productive use. The full solution requires the UIE to restore the right to liberty.

No, the UIE stops that cold by restoring the individual right to liberty. We've been through this.

And that will "merely" remove the burden of taxation from producers while eliminating the purchase-price barrier to their productive use of land (thus also removing almost all deadweight mortgage interest cost).

 

But still, anyone who wanted to own land would need to purchase it from an existing owner. Right?

A new tax doesn't remove the landowner's privilege of stealing from the community. He can still continue to do so as long as he pays his property taxes, which is the current state of affairs.

But unless they are landowners, they can't prevent the landowners from throwing their baby girl into the sea, as [MENTION=13235]geofree[/MENTION] said.

How does it remove the exploitation of labor?