Hiroshima: the Crime that keeps on paying

Still a very different kettle of fish from the a-bomb devastation.

 

USA is calling Russian actions in Syria a war crime for killing scores of people. USA killed 200,000+ Japanese with 2 bombs which were indiscriminate and which targeted civilian areas.

Similarly, the firebombing of Dresden by US and UK was a war crime that killed hundreds of thousands of men women and children and those who managed to escape the flames were strafed by fighter aircraft.

 

As true as it is that this were war crimes too by existing lawsuit of this time, you have not to forget that all sides do this and more as that.
No ... I will not come with holocaust or so, but you know that Japan used chemical and bio weapons against Chinese too?

However... there was smart military man saying once in the past "war is hell"! This was, is and will be always true!

 

Russia is participating in genocide against the Syrian people.

The death toll in the two cities was somewhere between 150,000 and 200,000.

Hiroshima was a major military center filled with tens of thousands of Japanese soldiers, and was the military headquarters in charge of the defense of the southern half of Japan.

Nagasaki was an industrial center filled with huge weapons factories.

 

False equivalence.
Dresden was full of brick/stone buildings; Hiroshima, wood and paper.

Firebombing of Japan:
Tokyo:
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/2c/Bomb_damage_in_Tokyo.jpg
Shizuoka
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/68/Shizuoka_following_United_States_air_raids.jpg

No appreciable difference between these cities and Hiroshima.

 

good point, hadn't considered that.

 

Let's examine something more recent: Lieutenant Willam Calley of USA who was responsible for the death of 500 mostly women, children and elderly in Vietnam and who didn't spend a day in jail. Pardoned by President of USA.

USA charges of war crimes against Russia is hypocrisy

 

You can support the genocide of the Syrian people if you like. I'm happy that my nation stands opposed to it.

 

The Atomic Bomb Dome is part of the Hiroshima Peace Memorial Park that Obama visited earlier this year, which serves as a good reminder of how cruel and foolish the last war was. The Japanese mainly see themselves as victims because of Hiroshima that they learn since primary school. Obama intended to enter the Atomic Bomb Dome to inspect the interior but he wasn't allowed to do so. One of the epitaphs on the site reads: "We'll never repeat the mistake again." Prior to the nuclear age, it was worth taking risks for territorial aggrandisement but we all know now that it was a stupid mistake.

 

You're Mexican?

 

The US engages in propaganda, surprise, surprise.

So? It doesn't matter if the US used 1,000 bombs or one bomb.

The Japanese Imperial 2nd Army headquartered in Hiroshima was destroyed.

Those people were guilty of collaboration with the National Socialist regime. They were guilty being complicit; being accomplices; aiding and abetting the war effort; and being accessories before, during and after the fact.

If it wasn't for civilians there wouldn't be any wars, so it's appropriate that civilians pay the price.

 

Both cities were military staging areas, both had military forces able to protect them in theory as in AA and we warned them we were going to unleash great destruction on them if they did not unconditionally surrender. Then after one city was flattened and they knew our new weapon was real they didn't surrender and well further destruction was very likely coming. As for being a war crime the Allies won so the winners make the rules and frankly they started a war with us in a dirty sneak attack, violated the Geneva Conventions over and over and so had it coming. They could have surrendered at any time.

 

You think three days was enough time for an unconditional surrender do you?

The U.S. knew that Pearl Harbour or something like it was going to happen, Roosevelt ignored a memo sent to him on Dec 4th detailing that Japenese Empire were eying up Hawaii with a view to "open conflict."

 

If it does not matter if we use one bomb or one thousand bombs why are we not dropping nuclear bombs more often? The army could become redundant

 

More than enough.

 

Really, strange that even after both bombs had been dropped and Japan announced it's surrender on August 15, it was not signed until September 2

 

You missed the point.
There's no reason Japan could not have accepted the unconditional surrender on August 7.

 

There is no reason they could not accept the surrender on December 8. I suppose we should have dropped the bomb then (if it had been finished).

 

Probably because people like you snivel, whine and cry. And then there's the cost of nuclear weapons. Conventional weapons are much cheaper.

 

The ten year wars in Iraq and Afghanistan were cheaper than a nuclear weapon? Are you kidding?

 

Over the next week or so President Obama is going to kill about 200,000 children, women and old people in the city of Mosul with USA bombs and USA howitzers to support Hillary Clinton in the election by claiming he has defeated ISIS and liberated Mosul.

From what I can tell from the messages I've seen, Democrats on the forum and in the media are 100% a-ok with that city-killing.

So to me that means the atomic bomb condemnation topic REALLY is just by some expressing their hatred own grandfather and great-grandfather like ungrateful spoiled brats.

 

Agree, basically that what we started from
1. Intimidation of friends and enemies (political)
2. Live testing of a new weapon (war science)
3. Attempt to force Japan to surrender (military)
From what we know, military aspect turned out to be unneeded. Ergo, mass murder.

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Dear Toggle Almendro. Probably you have missed my previous reply. I will be glad to continue our dialog the moment you will start proving proof of your words and answering my questions.

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Same , no problem.

 

From US experience, 10% of the costs of the project are theory and weapon construction. For your understanding, this equals to 5333 P40 Tomahawk planes, or 4800 M4 Sherman tanks. But this does not matter, Japan could never afford to enrich Uranium (the other 90% of the costs).

 

Hmm, try to look at Nuke as if it was a Chemical Weapon.
Why we don’t want to cleanse Hiroshima with Iprit, Mustard, Zarine, Zaman, GA, Vx, whatever? It is cheaper.

 

Then please explain why 110,000 Japanese died defending the Island of Okinawa 4 months before the first bomb was dropped on Hiroshima. It took allied forces 81 days to clear an island that is 5 miles by 50 miles. Does that sound like the Japanese were surrendering?

It is called revisionist history for a reason.