A Reality Check on Race and IQ

Black and white are colors. There is only one human race.



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How is a physical anthropologist able to identify race with a high degree of certainty from skeletal remains if the differences between northern Europeans and sub-saharan west Africans are merely skin pigmentation?

 

Can you provide evidence that people are blank slates and anyone can become the top mathematicians in the world?

Curious, but what's stopping you from pioneering a new field of mathematics?

 

Yeah, anyone can become a Leibniz who calculated calculus, and binary code.
LOLOL

 

But, shouldn't Blacks have their own homeland so they can rely on themselves, rather than "Racist Whitey"?

Seems like a good conclusion for ALL SIDES.

 

The issue is too politicized for a formal public debate as the atmosphere in the US and other Western countries is too controlled by the political Left and what we are left with as a result is a climate where only certain things can be discussed and only certainly causes to certain things can be discussed. This includes IQ gaps, black crime rates, black out of wedlock birth rates, black college drop out rates, etc. This also includes Latinos but to a less extreme extent as a mammoth of a taboo about data regarding Latinos isn't as extreme as it is with blacks.

So what we have left with when discussing possible causes and/or contributors to socioeconomic/crime inequality between whites and blacks are options limited to what the Left is able to digest. This means blaming white people only and basically avoiding at looking all other issues, ESPECIALLY IQ.

The discussion is basically set up this way:

Topic subject: The black/white IQ gap.

Accepted answers take two forms, both of which ultimately blame white people:

1) Deny the IQ gap exists and say the idea of it existing is the result of white racism.
2) Acknowledge the IQ gap exists and limit the explanation to Jim Crow, slavery, and discrimination. In other words, white racism. This includes making scientifically inaccurate statements about the environmental impact on adult IQ and the heritability of adult IQ in general.

End of conversation.

This is a hot potato the mainstream media won't even touch, and if you mention it in news thread conversations on their websites, you WILL be banned.

Having this supposed "open dialogue about race" requires a two-way conversation and not the one-way street diatribes that most blacks salivate for, where whites are blamed, bashed, and scapegoated and kept from speaking openly.

Frankly, few people - especially those heavily into mainstream thought - could handle a truly open conversation about race. I can't count how many mental meltdowns I've inflicted on people simply for touching on this one topic alone. They CANNOT handle it and immediately go into defense mode and deny science.

And this is due to their being reared in mainstream academia and media which has been colonized by the radical Left for decades.

These people can't even handle discussing high black per capita crime rates let alone much else.

 

Thanks for your great post! Please read some of the rest of the string if you can. In my posts at least, there is much data.

Race/IQ difference is THEE most taboo subject. (as are other Race differences, even Medical applications)
And yet, it's not until one accepts them, that the world, the way it is, makes perfect sense.
One doesn't have to go about denying, blaming, rationalizing. The USA, Southern Africa, etc All look they way one Would predict if one was aware of/accepted these differences. No more contortions/blame.

Or:
3. Deny Race exists.
At least as common as the other two.

"hot potato" brings to mind one of my posts in the string:
http://www.politicalforum.com/showthread.php?t=479911&page=7&p=1066735595#post1066735595

James Watson Tells the Inconvenient Truth: Faces the Consequences
http://www.gnxp.com/blog/2007/10/james-watson-tells-inconvenient-truth_296.php
Excerpt from what happened to co-Nobel winner for discovering DNA... for telling the truth
[......] [Watson] is "inherently gloomy about the prospect of Africa" because "all our social policies are based on the fact that their intelligence is the same as ours - whereas all the testing says Not really", and I know that this "hot potato" is going to be difficult to address.[......]​

You are correct on this too.
Currently an "open discussion" on Black Crime consists of Blacks are - jailed too much, stopped disproportionately - but NEVER the causation: their own Murder/Robbery rates are 5-8x that of whites, and 20-30x of Asian Americans. CNN has many Race discussions: NONE contain those basic/crucial facts.
http://www.politicalforum.com/race-relations/476586-89-all-crime-nyc-nonwhite.html
http://www.politicalforum.com/showthread.php?t=476586&page=2&p=1066663321#post1066663321
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One approach could be to look for minerals in the bones. If the particular mix of minerals was unique to one of those regions, you might assert with some confidence whether that person lived in northern Europe or sub-saharan west Africa.



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Color is a silly way to choose sides. If you want to kick people out of this country who rely on those of us making greater contributions, I see no reason to limit your list to useless people of a particular skin color.

Warning though, if you start a serious discussion of whether a person deserves to call America their homeland—you may find yourself wanting.



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As usual you act like there have been no scientific rebuttals to your arguments. You complain about the mainstream media only accepting one side of the debate. Maybe that is because your views have been thoroughly discredited and dismissed as racist pseudoscience.

 

Why don't races, and ethnic groups not have the right to preserve themselves?

 

That is not the way it is done. How would you figure the race that way of a Negroid in America, for instance?

 

Racial science can't be discredited until Racial equality is proven.

When has Racial equality have ever been proven?

There's disparities between races in their genetics, and outcomes.

Therefor it's Racial equality which is a pseudoscience.

 

Race is just a social construct. You are just like a Kenyan.

 

I find it interesting that not only is it "race" that you feel is an appropriate measure of superiority and outcomes, but ethnicity as well.

 

Mainstream scientific consensus maintains that human populations have not diverged racially and that there is no scientific basis for the claim that there are innate mental differences between races. Many books have been written on this subject and that is what is being taught in Universities not Scientific Racism.

There have been scientific debates on this subject:

[video=youtube;zF9hOY6OzoQ]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zF9hOY6OzoQ[/video]

[video=youtube;lUjo31DChcE]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lUjo31DChcE[/video]

 

Yes a broken measuring stick if applied universally will provide a flawed yet comparative scale of data.

And you also entirely correct. A person suffering from a congenital mental and physical condition would score much lower than someone who doesn't regardless of the accuracy of the measuring stick.

 

Apparently you fail to comprehend a rather simple point. YOU as a white person had absolutely NO involvement in the accident of your birth. Your supposed superiority was bestowed on you and you had absolutely nothing at all to do with it. That ain't at all obtuse although it may be hard for some racists to grasp.

I don't recall claiming that white boys had higher IQs. In fact your posts clearly demonstrates that point.

As to your perception of racialism as progressive, I guess the entire history of human civilization is to be ignored. Human nature being what it is and all, I am not surprised.

 

Right over your head it seems.

 

Nice deflection, yes or no.

 

Because race doesn't exist other than in the minds of people. While you have a right to free association in this country and to identify yourself however you like, if you defend that identity to the detriment of America you may be committing treason.

We went through this in the 60s. You can join the KKK if you want, join a "no-Raider-Fans" private club, and you can identify yourself however you want (black, white, ginger, 49er fan... whatever). But you are an American first or you are not an American at all.

If you try and draw a line on main-street or carve off a section of this country—the country we all own together—for 'your kind' only, you are trying to take part of America away from Americans. And our laws don't allow you to do that. Cutting chunks off of America is attacking America.



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You ask him to check a box. Which is the way it is done.



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Is this a joke, or are you under the delusion coroners and forensic anthropologists analyze mineral content in bones?

http://jenjdanna.com/blog/2012/7/10/forensics-101-race-determination-based-on-the-skull.html

 

I've long seen evidence that race deniers are less intelligent than race realists.

But this truly is surreal. How someone goes through life so lacking in common sense is astonishing.

How do you suppose checking a box would help a forensic anthropologist determine the race of an unidentified skeleton?

 

Individuals have a right to preserve themselves. Races as such have no rights at all.