Healthcare--a right or not?

Savings help people retire, and buy a home.

 

If health care was a right you would be born with a doctor growing out of your butt!

 

There's that word law again. Making your argument about legal rights, not natural rights.

I think you've been confused as to what is a natural right, nothing but might, and legal rights, those afforded on because of society and law.

 

You don't even have a natural right to that. Anything can come along and whiff that right away in an instant.
You do have a right to defend yourself, but at some point, you will have to prove legally you were in fact defending yourself.

So the only rights we truly have, is ourself and might, or legal, granted by society enforce by law.

 

So now, you have to resort to personal attacks.

That is a sign you've lost your argument and now have to lash out to save face. Because you don't have any answer to the question at hand or have been shown your premise is wrong. And your premise is wrong.

You don't know the difference between natural and legal.
I suggest you get a dictionary and learn those meanings. It will help you the next time you try this discussion. As for now, you've admitted you can't back up what you say and attack instead.

 

If Healthcare was a right, then the government would not be allowed to determine at what age or condition someone on Medicaid or Medicare received an operation.

 

Exactly. There is no natural right.
Only legal rights that society deems important.

But the poster this was addressed to tried to claim there is a natural right. Life, so my argument if life is a natural right, so should be the right to defend and sustain with any means possible.

 

Maximatic posted the definition of right, it is a legal entitlement, per the definition.

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Subjective terms, and if left to each individual, chaos.

 

Technically then, everything is free, until something or someone takes it away or a learned behavior is adopted.

 

How about in the case of property? What gives anyone a right to a piece of land? Either one's might, or the gov't in the form of a deed. So what you're saying is owning property isn't a right. There are many Native Americans who will agree with you. Land is for everyone to enjoy.

 

Gov't grants or takes away rights. Hopefully society has a say in what gov't does, via the voting booth.

 

I likely do pay more than you in total taxes because of the progressive tax system. I also support Democrats and have done so my entire life which means many of the benefits you and your family receive from the government were passed and supported by the left. You are welcome.

 

That's nonsense/ Medicare is cheap because it has a 3% administrative cost as opposed to the 20%-30% for 'for profit' insurance.

We pay into the same way as Social Security. The money we pay in now...goes towards healthcare for existing recipients. There's no cost reduction there.

But using either Medicaid or Medicare would have very little difference as long as we pay for the premiums.That would be fine....

 

The charity so often quoted by people like you is focused on religious institutions not true charities like Doctors without Borders or the Sierra Club. I suggest you get new material because when you attempt to sell this line of bull outside of the echo chamber it bounces back.

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The left has been trying to do this for decades going back to Truman. Unfortunately for the nation, we have a large percentage of hate filled crypto-fascists who seem to think Jesus was an insurance salesman.

 

No, government cannot grant a right, not according to our Constitution. The right to life, liberty and the pursuit of hsppiness is an INHERENT right. The right to self defense is an INHERENT right. Government granted rights are not inherent rights. They are permission by government control.

 

So... why are you OK with the state having this "might" and not the individual?

 

Blah blah blah. Healthcare is a legal right just not a natural right. Finally....thread ended

 

You'll have to expand on your responses here because I don't see how they substantially address the questions I asked.

 

Ignorant post. Take a constitutional class before you address my points. You'll look halfway intelligent.

 

When you have an actual rebuttal....let us know. LOL

 

Now you're trolling.

 

Or force you to exercise it in a manner it decides acceptable.

 

No I am explaining the facts to you and sticking to the point of this thread. You are derailing.

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I love the insult....it stems from the frustration of losing. LOL

 

You're trolling. Healthcare isn't a right. Period.

 

As Curt Flood once said slaves can be very well paid but are none-the-less slaves. Slaves can also enjoy their jobs, but they are still slaves.

Teachers can quit teaching anytime they wish and no authority is going to force them to stay so Johnny can get an education. Johnny does not have an inalienable right to an education.