Faith

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  1. bricklayer

    bricklayer Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Faith is complex; it involves the entire person: intellect, emotion and volition. Faith is a complex of understanding, trust and identity. To the extent that one understands another, trusts the other and identifies with the other, that one has faith in the other.

    Faith does not transcend one's understanding, trust or identity. One's understanding, trust and identity are the limits of one's faith. So little faith is needed to be saved that faith barely sufficient for salvation is wholly insufficient for anything else.

    Again, faith does not pick up where understanding, trust or identity leave off. One's faith is defined by their understanding, trust and identity.

    A child's faith is defined by "my daddy" or "my mommy". A child is more sure of their identity relative to their parent than their individual identity. A child's trust is without limit. A child actually needs to learn that daddy is capable of not catching them when they fling them self off an edge. The idea that daddy, or mommy, wouldn't be there for them does not naturally even occur to them. But, as for understanding, it is as true today as it was the day I was born, I don't know almost everything. In fact, even as much as all of humanity has learned, we still don't know almost everything. So, a child's faith is one without emotional or volitional limit, and an understanding that only ever approaches the truth through testing.
     
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    Llewellyn Moss Well-Known Member

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    [video=youtube;r4czdTaUQVg]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r4czdTaUQVg[/video]
     
  3. DPMartin

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    Though what you have posted may have aspects of faith in one’s experience as a child, but faith in and of itself is merely what one places trust and or believes to be true or a source of truth as far as the action of placing one’s faith. Faith isn’t really a thing it’s more of an action, before and fulfillment of the expected result of placing one’s faith.

    You place your faith in something to do or be what you are being told or see as a way to do. As in placing your faith in something for something. Such as, you place your faith in a government built bridge for you to get to the other side safely, then you cross. You place your faith in the chair you sit in to hold you in the place you expect it to hold you in, then you sit. Or you place your faith in some organization that can assure you some type of expectations in a retirement, then you invest accordingly anticipating the fruits thereof. You agree to entrust someone else to use the roads as you do, without endangering your life, then you start your car. Belief and trust is all one does in the world. You trust that the food you eat in such and such restaurant won’t kill you or make you sick. Living things act after faith, then know by experience the fulfillment and then it’s not faith anymore.


    But what one trusts something for is the key. You don’t trust a bus ticket for a passage into salvation of your soul.
     
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    maat Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Is there a point to this thread?
     
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    Humans can't operate without faith. It's essential to our functioning. It's no wonder then that in a universe where nothing is certain that we often misplace our faith and consider some things to be real when they are merely illusions and consider other things to be illusions when they are real.
     
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    In relation to religion, I think faith is one of the biggest copouts. It's something put in because religions know there is no evidence to support their beliefs. There is no evidence of god, and there certainly is no evidence that anything said in any religious text is true, or that anybody knows if there is a god or the nature of that god. That's why I personally think all religion is ridiculous. It's one thing to have a belief that there is a god, a life after death. It's another to be sure of it and follow inconsistent books written ancient men full of many horrible things and think that means they know what god wants from you.

    Faith is just the excuse to justify believing in things in contrary to logic and reasoning. What I find ridiculous is not faith in something more, but that people will both claim their belief is based on faith, but then turn around and try to explain god or what god wants as fact. You can't have it both ways. If you have faith, fine, but don't tell me you know the truth of the universe, try to tell others they are sinner or that god loves them or what not. All that is ridiculous. If it requires faith, how do you know? You seriously think a book of stories from ancient men cobbled together and edited and pieced together over time is the word of god or the truth? THat all that magical stuff happened over 2000 years ago.
     
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    if you are one who argues one should keep what they believe to themselves, then why are you telling us what you believe, and what you believe about the beliefs of others? maybe you should show us how that is done by keeping your own opinions about beliefs to your self, otherwise free expression of one's beliefs or what one places their faith in, whether it be for the reliability of some car to purchase, whether it be who to vote for, or whether it be what one's soul is to be redeemed by is irrelevant. its just to bad that the open expression of some one's belief in the Living God in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ the Son of God, bothers you.
     
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    You are so wrong.

    The Bible was written by God.
    The Bible says there is a God.
    The Bible says it is the True Word of God.
    The Bible says there is a God.
    The Bible says it is the True Word of God.
    The Bible was written by God.

    That should be all the evidence anyone needs.

    <sarcasm> In case you weren't sure.
     
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    Although I have never met the man in person.......
    there is a poster in these forums who I would pick to assist me even in a debate with Rabbi Yeshua - Jesus ........

    Although the man terms himself an Agnostic..... he is even more suited to the role of a modern Cyrus.... than President Donald J. Trump........
    who also is perfect for the role.........

    I have a high degree of faith in this man.........
    that he will not likely run away on me for the next one thousand years....... linear time.........


    http://www.politicalforum.com/index...-the-office-of-potus-as-early-as-2016.397835/
     
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    So childish. It is christians(among other religions) that have bastardized what faith is. You claim Jesus/God as fact, while claiming you have faith. You are the one being intellectually dishonest and lashing out.
     
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    Aha yes.... thank you for the clarification at the end there........
    Sarcasm.............

    Actually...... the quotation from Satan in Genesis 3... is now one of the most amazing true statements I have ever read.......


    "you shalll not surely die.... but become as G-d, knowing good and evil"
     
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    You must have doubts if you need to repeat yourself.
     
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    its just to bad that the open expression of some one's belief in the Living God in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ the Son of God, bothers you

    you do realize you are making my day, right?
     
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    Yes, I had to add that. I sometimes make satirical posts and people can't tell if it is someone like me posting satire or someone like you posting you true beliefs. You would agree that what I posted reflects your beliefs, wouldn't you.
    So the Omniscient god didn't know what The Serpent was going to do?
     
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    Doubts about what?
     
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    As Sampson said, it is not your belief or faith that bothers me. It is your insistence that it is fact and that you judge others by it.

    I was an ignorant Christian most of my life. After taking off the rose colored glasses I found there was no legitimate reason to have faith in any proclaimed religions.

    I would love for there to be a righteous higher power and afterlife, but intellectual honesty does not support the biblical faith.

    If you believe it, fine, but do not pretend you know it to be real/fact and judge non-believers accordingly.
     
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    The gods is evil.

    The gods let restistence voices blame me far from but they never win far from.

    My second voice will to shift places and eat out my food however will not shift.

    My God let me be myself this living time but are nothing my voice understand.
     
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    Frank Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    There are people who have "faith" that a god exists.

    There are also people who have "faith" that no gods exist.

    Why not just acknowledge that we do not know if any gods exist...and that we have no unambiguous evidence in either direction to justify a guess one way or the other?
     
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    The gods is evil when them let voices humanity far from. Is not necessary for me. And there is not my God does help me with faith on God and Jesus is nothing to faith he's really name are not Christ but just Jesus for at least Catholics even black with breathing Catholics waiver. But Nigeria, Sudan and Somalia citizen are muslim and blacks in same nature.
     
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    The Bible was written by Satan
    The Bible says Satan exists.
    Satan is a great deceiver and so he tricks believers into thinking the Bible is the true word of God.
     
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