AR15 carbine for home defense

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What cartridge would/did you choose for a home-defense AR carbine

  1. 5.56x45 or derivative (specify)

    40.0%
  2. 7.62x51 or derivative (specify)

    2.5%
  3. 7.62x39 or derivative (specify)

    5.0%
  4. 9x19mm

    10.0%
  5. .40 S&W

    7.5%
  6. 10mm

    2.5%
  7. 45ACP

    12.5%
  8. Other (specify)

    20.0%
  1. Primus Epic

    Primus Epic Well-Known Member

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    Won't the dog have a midnight snack on the intruders budget? Let him go get those bones and be your point man on patrol. Tip of the spear. Woof! Woof! Go gettem Tiger!
     
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    I don't need a big carnivore like that.

    Just a little Chihuahua to wake me if somebody is getting too close to the building.

    I am going to discuss this with my cat to see if I can change the cat's mind.
     
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    yiostheoy Well-Known Member

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    So I get the impression that you love your AR and would not be happy with an AK or a Ruger Mini even though the AK and the Ruger Mini are both superior to the AR's then ?!
     
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    The main advantage of the 308 cartridge is that it has a further effective range by about 250 to 500 yards over a 5.56x45.

    But who needs that ???
     
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    http://www.fieldandstream.com/artic...ethods-and-gear-tips-competition-slug-shooter
    The American Slug Shooting Association (slugshooting.com) does more than talk tight groups. Its members compete every month, pushing the envelope of slug performance. The format is simple: Shoot from a bench at 100 yards. The tightest five-shot group wins. The current 100-yard record stands at an astounding .787 inch; the world is full of centerfire rifles that don't group as well as that.

    A little practice and with good off the shelf ammo you can reliably hit a 12 inch gong at 200 yards.
     
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    Four (4) lawyers. Two for the Plaintiff and the Defendant in the civil liability suit. Two for the Defendant and the State in the criminal case - if one is brought against the home defender for doing his job and defending his family at home.

    It is a sad state of affairs but that's what we have to work with these days.
     
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    There are indeed a great many semi-automatic shotguns currently on the market in the united states. However they are not known for reliability with a wide spectrum of differing types of ammunition.

    Considering most ammunition will perforate the human body, internal organs included, one would assume nearly any type of ammunition would have an equal degree of pain potential if death was not immediate.
     
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    The AR's are not rifles they are carbines.

    And you won't have much time to shoulder fire it. You'll most likely be shooting from the hip.

    If you take time to shoulder it you will probably be dead before you can touch the trigger.
     
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    ASS-U-ME.

    Obviously you never went to boot camp.

    Then obviously you don't have much experience with firearms either.
     
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    If you shoot someone once with a handgun their chances of survival statistically are 60%.

    If you shoot them twice this falls to 20%.

    I was trained to double tap, look, then if need be double tap again.

    0% survivability.
     
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    Why would anyone want to ??

    If something/someone is 200 yards away they are not a threat to you.
     
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    A great case for the Bullpup. Really, you just nailed it. Oh, wait. You were referring to the AR. Never mind, then. As you were.


    I've seen evidence in both directions, really. That round won't begin expanding until it strikes something and starts dumping energy as it passes through whatever medium it comes in contact with first. We are talking about Home Defense and in that realm, you are introducing a platform that will deliver its round with a much higher muzzle velocity. Without even getting into the frangibility discussion of the round itself, the velocity downrange at such short ranges (close quarters) probably dispels the idea (at least somewhat) that a rifle round would dissipate its energy more efficiently than a semi-auto pistol round would at the same distance to the target.

    So, if we want less over-penetration while retaining stopping capability, I'm hard pressed to come up with a round selection better than that found in the modern sem-auto pistol. However, having said that, I also prefer a two-gun response to a home invasion from a purely tactical standpoint while making the real-time decision as to which weapon to deploy depending on the scenario. This takes scenario training.
     
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    The matter depends largely on the length of the barrel, and what the term "sawn off" may refer to. Under federal laws in the united states, the barrel of a shotgun may not be less than eighteen inches in length.
     
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    What about the German:
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    I chose 'other'. Specifics:

    Move to a country where you can sleep easy at night with nothing more deadly in the house than a bread knife.
     
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    You wrote that a shotgun was only accurate to 50 yards. You are wrong.

    Its not so much the firearm, its the person wielding the firearm. A well trained person with any firearm is better than an untrained or lightly trained person with the best firearm in the world. A person with a firearm which is reasonably suited to the task but which the person is proficient and comfortable using is what is desired.
     
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    How does one avoid an unintended discharge when sleeping with a firearm under their pillow? If they are the type that moves about while asleep, what prevents them from pulling the trigger while they are unconscious?
     
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    When you have to defend acres more than mere square feet. Some people live on farms, ranches, large scale properties, etc. In a scenario where the stuff is not only hitting the fan but also hitting your land where you live, you can hunker down inside and wait for the mob to come to you - or you can erect your own defense perimeter.

    Frankly, for that kind of scenario, I would prefer 375 CheyTac through Desert Tech HTI and from as elevated a position as I could obtain.
     
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    1 - keep the pistol in it's holster.

    2 - don't buy a Glock.
     
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    I would trust my Ruger Mini 14 out to 500 yards.

    I have already tested it and it works just fine that far.

    That equals 5 acres of distance.

    Would you ever need to take a shot that far or further?

    If further then yes, your next step up would be to the 308.

    Not my problem however.
     
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    Don't tell me that I am wrong Sweet Pea.

    Or else I will P.T. you until your azz is sucking buttermilk.

    You are free to disagree simply because everyone has an opinion and like azzholes they all stink.

    :D
     
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    Switzerland ?!
     
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    A properly trained German Shepherd can beat the crap out of you, same as a fully grown wolf.

    Why would you want to be lower on the food chain than your pet ?!

    Beautiful dog though.
     
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    No claim as to owning an AR-15 was made on the part of myself. It is merely being addressed because it is the subject of the thread. It is also being addressed because the claims being presented against the platform are wholly inaccurate.
     
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    Should we conclude that specific calibers have a greater potential for inducing pain than others? Does the diameter and weight of a projectile determine the amount of pain that is experienced if the liver is perforated?

    Such was never claimed on the part of myself.
     
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