You do not need a link MGTOW are told that we hate women. Some MGTOW have been doxed. Women always want to silence men when they share information.
Men die younger because they work more and work themselves to death. With MGTOW you can extend your life because you don't have a woman to take care. He can actually just work 9 to 5 job and make a decent income and if he spends less than he can live on that and invest some of his money. With a wife it is difficult to do that.
Do you deny what I posted about movies or are you simply bloviating? You can call me a woman hater all you want, but the truth stands. I never said it was women's fault. I stated truth. Men don't have to live with women who do what I posted. They can find women who are truly good women. They are out there. The problem today is women labeling men. Your only angry and fighting back in the only way you know how. I forgive you for thinking I'm a misogynist. Elective surgery is just that...elective. Noone forces you. Your own low self esteem forces those surgeries. Women are much more than a body to pump and dump. I know that's the norm today for both men and women. It's part of the education they have received from some women and some men. Your type places expectations on men. They can't accept men as they are naturally. Men have been this way since we've been on earth. It's in our biological makeup. Women can't accept that, until they are looking for a strong man to marry. Otherwise, they try to teach young men to be more like women. It's not a good policy. Look around and see the messes that have been created. I never said men don't put expectations on women. I don't understand why you have to go the direction you did. You could have addressed what I posted rather than assuming what I meant. You let your emotions take control of your mind and logic took you to victim blaming and then sitting in the victim's chair. This is another way that men's longevity is reduced.
I disagree with this. Women put in more hours than men, in my opinion. The difference is in expectations placed on men. You can watch any good marriage and you will see that men listen when their wife is angry and shouting. They don't input much, but empathize with the anger or whatever feelings they believe they are seeing. They even call the women their wife is angry with a "bitch" or whatever will help. They agree that their wife is correct, even when she could have done better, but do not offer solutions. They offer to take some burden off of their wife and then swallow their emotions or take them somewhere they will be heard and understood, which is usually with other men. This is the need for men to be able to talk with each other without women being there. Women would react as @Renee did with me. Men would not be frightened and lash out.
You haven't do your reach Dr Warren Farrell has a book why men earn more. Of course this is chaning because women are taking men's job due to diversity or sexual harassment.
Oh, you mean because women take more time off of work to take care of children and bear them? Okay, but taking care of children is a job men who are married don't do as much and only do more of when they are single fathers. Though those numbers are increasing, it is a long way off from being equal to the number of men vs. women. I think the population is still about 51% women, which leaves 49% men. I doubt the number of single fathers with full custody is anywhere near 49% of the population(of divorced couples). That kind of refutes some of @Renee's claims, too. Sorry Renee.
Not only that most women want a balance life. This is changing obviously because men no longer have to provide for women since MGTOW exists. Men are expected to do half the house hold chores, work longer hours and do their male chores. No use to get married. I never want children I don't want a wife. No wife or girlfriend = happy life Men who does household chores gets less sex. Men are who are househusbands are more likely to divorce. I really don't care who does more. I am not married and never have been married which is a very good thing.
I love your made-up statistics. Actually men who do more chores get more sex. Men who are househusbands less likely to get divorced. It must be true because it’s on the Internet. But an actual fact is that men are more content in marriage than women and it is more women who want out of marriage. I think it is kind of sad that you believe having a girlfriend or a wife would make you unhappy. You must’ve had some pretty bad experiences
You are assuming that the wife does not make a lot of money and it is only the man who has to take care of the little woman. Women are working themselves very hard these days and they’re still living a lot longer than men. We don’t internalize our emotions...
I think men's lust for competition can get in the way. I think that is biological from testosterone. I know some do, but many of them have a difficult time staying married. As was mentioned, women tend to like a strong man and many will get tired of a stay at home dad, quickly losing their libido. Sometimes, it becomes such a problem, they find themselves having an affair.
I mean, if you are both working, I think doing half the chores is going to be the right thing to do. The couple has to work it out between them. Good communication is a key factor in a good relationship. It's difficult to communicate properly. It's difficult to be married. I think it's around 50% of first marriages that fail and more than 70% of second marriages, depending on the site you look at. They try to break it down to look like it's less, but those numbers are fairly accurate. Here are two sites which illustrate those thoughts. https://www.statisticbrain.com/marriage-statistics/ https://blackdoctor.org/50116/why-marriages-fail-after-5-years__trashed/ Many folks don't have a job that can pay for one person staying home. I'd say, take your time. It can be a very pleasant life if you marry the right woman and you are the right man. Children are a blessing and grandchildren are even more of a blessing cause they go home at the end of the day. ha! Just teasing there. Some women want to stay home and have children to raise. Still, you have to help out. You don't get a pass on work. She can't do it all. That's not fair. She'll divorce you and for good reason. One thing you can certainly add to this is many married men complain about vanilla sex. It seems that some women find it difficult to do the things they did while single within a marriage. I guess they feel like they won't be respected, they might be laughed at or told they are gross or something, so they don't want to have to live the rest of their life like that. Can't really blame them, but sometimes I wonder if this is really due to premarital sex. I've read studies that it can be a problem with virgins, too. Though I'm not sure how they know they are having vanilla sex unless they are reading about it, watching porn or talking to someone with experience. I'm not saying premarital sex should stop, though many religions are against it. That's up to the individuals.
A lot men don't get any sex or get sex on rare occasion. What are you talking about? If man works 14 hour day do you seriously think he's going to have time to look after the children or with house work? A lot of men I knew did majority of the house work, cleaning and cooking. Now I can't say that's for a lot of men it seems that women are getting lazy. Asian women are a different story. I think were raised by a single mother because if I did that crap my grandmother would have scolded me. In fact when I tried to help my grandmother cook she got upset and told me that is a woman's job. She told me I can't be a man doing a woman's job. it's the last time I tried to help her cook.
Well, 14 hours a day is a long day. You can help on your days off. Sure, some women are lazy just like some men. I don't know anything about Asian society. I just know there are plenty of pretty Asian women.
There have been so many studies showing men are more content in marriage than women. You just showed your attitude toward women by saying that women like strong man and if you stay at home and you are a male it means youre weak… Like a woman! . What makes you think they would lose the libido? By the way women are gaining in the affairs department, they are looking for good sex, not wham bam
Nah, I just parroted what many women have posted on this forum and others I've read. In fact, I believe you posted to me that you like strong men or your husband is a strong man and is better than me. No, I don't believe you interpreted that correctly. Women are not weak. Many women do not like a stay at home husband/dad. This, again, is from women online posting what they feel and have experienced. It isn't something I make up, or my opinion. In fact, I thought the women's movement would have caused women to want a stay at home dad. I guess you can't change biology? Again, women have posted about their own marriages and I've read them. That's how I know about the libido issue and everything else. All of this stuff is what I've read that women have posted. Renee, why didn't those women having affairs not realize they weren't having satisfying sex before they got married? Having an affair isn't something to be proud of, Renee. It shows a lack of character and self-control.
You're reaching Renee. I don't know anything about Asian women. I posted that. Then I said, all I knew was they were pretty. That's not an insult to them. Stop it Renee. You are way out of line. This is the problem with cult members. They are brainwashed and can only think binaurally. That's a sign of an abusive personality. Please stop attacking me.
Cult members? lol MGTOW isn't a cult. A lot of us disagree on different things. There is no leader with MGTOW. Nobody gives me orders. lol
What an insult to the intelligence of the people here that you would say That I saidthat my husband is a strong man and is “better than me”My husband is a strong man but he is not better than I am ,nor am I better than he is.We are a marriage of equals. We each have our own strengths and our own weaknesses. The Reason men and women don’t respect men who are stay at home dad’s or homemakers is because we have all bought into the fact that it’s a woman’s role and If a man does it he is diminished. The converse is not true. If a woman becomes a CEO then she is lauded. This is unconscious prejudice. As one of my 14-year-old students observed, “what a man does has more value than what a woman does“ It isn’t about biology. Men can be just as loving and nurturing as women. And certainly as patient A man who can fish for eight hours can certainly care for a child I do have to laugh that you were basing women’s libidos from what you read on a blog rather than educate yourself from real authorities. I can ask the same question why do men have affairs? And by the way nobody said that having an affair is something to be proud of.
Yes, I am part of a cult...lol...And please stop making yourself a little victim. Here you are attacking me and then cloaking yourself in indignation that you’re being attacked. If you can’t take it then don’t give it
Sorry but cooking is a woman's job. My grandmother told me so when I was a kid. I tried help her prepare some food and she got upset and scolded me and told me men never cook for women. How can you be a man when you cook for women. I can tell you I stopped right away. My grandmother's pride and joy was cooking for us.
Renee, you said your husband was a strong man and basically stronger than me. You said you like him because he is a strong man. There is nothing wrong with saying that. It's true for many women. What a man does has more value than what a woman does? Wow, that is sexist. It certainly is about biology. You can read many articles about it. That doesn't mean a woman cannot do the same things as men. I am talking about sexual attraction when I say that. Moving the goal posts just confuses your posts. Who said a man cannot care for a child? Wow, see how your cult has conditioned you? I never asked why women have affairs. There are many reasons and this is simply one of them. Your binary thinking is ruining this conversation. Please stop. You really don't understand. You are just simply spouting what you have been brainwashed to believe. Renee, you started this when you complained because I said it would be nice to be able to go fishing. You referenced that in the above quote. You simply refuse to let this go. You continue your attacks here. Please stop. Read up on the definition of a cult. You will see I am correct. The truth is an issue. It makes folks angry. I am sorry I had to post it. Please stop. If you do not, you will simply make things worse. I am not your husband. Please complain to him. He will have to sit there and agree with you. It is in the marriage contract. I do not. This isn't the same as a marriage relationship. Please understand.