…”no nation on earth has the power to dictate where the US places its embassies.”

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  1. TOG 6

    TOG 6 Well-Known Member

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    As Jordan ceded the entirety of the West Bank to Israel in 1994, your statement is proven false.
     
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    The treaty specifies boundaries only. It says nothing about claims of sovereignty with regards to East Jerusalem. You have merely created a fiction.
     
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    You can make that proclamation over and over, but that does not make it true. Your FLIMSY argument is based on East Jerusalem being on the "other side" of the border mentioned in the treaty. But Egypt is on the "other side" of that border. IF being on the "other side" of the border made the land Israel's, then Egypt would be Israel's too.
     
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    False. It creates an international boundary - an international border.
    East Jerusalem is on the Israeli side of that border, and thus, part of Israel.
     
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    The treaty I cited proves it true.
     
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    Do you know what prejudice means?
     
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    Yes - it explains the behavior of people who have been shown the truth but refuse to believe it.
    I cited a treaty which specifies the entirety of the West Bank, including East Jerusalem is part of Israel; you refuse to believe it.
    Thus, prejudice.
     
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    Define the word prejudice for us.
     
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    There's no need -- you refuse to understand the truth put to you because you have a preconceived opinion that is not based on reason or actual experience.
     
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    Well there you go folks.

    I'm out.
     
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    I accept your concession of the point.
     
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    Again, laws cannot be applied retroactively, and they most certainly cannot be selectively applied retroactively.
     
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    Jordan is the injured party, and Jordan has relinquished all claims to East Jerusalem.
     
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    And, by treaty, given to Israel all of it's territory west of the Jordan.
     
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    International law recognizes the right of self determination of peoples. The International Court of Justice has recognized the Palestinians as such a group of people. Therefore Israel has illegally usurped East Jerusalem from the Palestinian people.
     
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    Indeed. The people of Jordan exercised that right in their decision to cede, by treaty, the WB to the Israelis; under international law, it belongs to Israel.
    Including all of Jerusalem.
     
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    It is interesting to note that some of Israel's defenders appear to have adopted techniques of the Nazis. Consider Paul Joseph Goebbels.

    He is famous for this quote

     
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    When the UN Security Council declares that it aint so. Than it simply aint so.
     
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    It was never part of Jordan. So they can not give it. Not that this matters.
    When the UNSC says it's not part of Israel, than it simply is not part of Israel.
     
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    So why hasn't the UN recognized Catalan as a State?

    Palestine was not a State at the time Jordan acquired East Jerusalem, and Jordan has subsequently relinquished control to Israel.

    Jerusalem was never a capital of Palestine. Palestinian claims are nothing more than sour grapes.
     
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    Catalonia has been a part of Spain for hundreds of years in modern times. Indeed it was a part of Spain well before the principles of international law had been established. It is therefore under the jurisdiction of the Spanish constitution. That's why.

    Jordan never LEGALLY acquired East Jerusalem. Not only that, but Jordan never said it was giving control of East Jerusalem to Israel.
     
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    ... are so prejudiced, they refuse to believe the truth, even when it beats them over the head.
    Like when a treaty that proves a claim is cited.
     
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    Please cite the UNSCR that condemned the Jordanian annexation of the WB.
    You know this statement is not true
     
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    The security council is an arm of the United Nations. The United Nations General Assembly established the International Law Commission. The Charter of the United Nations as well as the Draft Declaration on Rights and Duties of States of the International Law Commission clearly put forward the concept that the acquisition of territory through military force is illegal.
     
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    And so, you admit, you can find nothing form the UN that took issue with or declared illegal the annexation of the WB by Jordan.
    And thus, your statement to that effect is nothing but your meaningless opinion.
    Thank you.
     

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