Mom the church denomination vs Truth/ near death experiences?

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Who do you think is more intellectually truthful?

  1. Justin Peters

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  2. Colton Burpo

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  3. Not sure yet... but am researching this question.

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  1. DennisTate

    DennisTate Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I listened to twenty five minutes of a video several days ago.......
    that I realize could have been done by me by the year 1990 except.......
    for the fact that I personally was willing to get disfellowshipped
    from the Worldwide Church of God...........
    that had a dogmatic Soul Sleep teaching at that time.




    Mr. Justin Peters...... is defending his MOM..... his denomination of his church.......
    so even though I am 99% certain that Colton Burpo was as truthful as he
    humanly could be.........
    Mr. Justin Peters....... is now his enemy......
    and Mr. Peters is willing to use any imperfect word from Mr. Burpo to
    accuse him..........

     
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    Mr. Justin Peters expands his argument to others who claim to have had
    spiritual experiences but I would like to confine the poll to Justin Peters vs Colton Burpo.......

    My theory is that Mr. Justin Peters has been part of a church denomination for at least a decade.....
    possibly twenty or more years..... and he knows.....
    that if the majority of people begin to take Mr. Colton Burpo seriously......
    his denomination is in serious trouble.
    ......
     
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    I could be wrong....
    I am listening to more of his video.....
    but here is the very near death experience account that
    got me going in a direction where I could no longer fit in with
    the Worldwide Church of God... or any of its offshoots.


    I do wonder if this is the doctrine that has Mr. Justin Peters confused....
     
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    At the 38 minute mark Mr. Justin Peters makes a statement that I totally agree with.......
    He quotes II Corinthians 12:2-4... and he theorizes that Paul was probably talking about
    himself..... and that is exactly what I had thought as well.

    https://www.blueletterbible.org/kjv/2co/12/1/s_1090001

    "I knew a man in Christ above fourteen years ago, (whether in the body, I cannot tell; or whether out of the body, I cannot tell: God knoweth;) such an one caught up to the third heaven.

    And I knew such a man, (whether in the body, or out of the body, I cannot tell: God knoweth;)

    How that he was caught up into paradise, and heard unspeakable words, which it is not lawful for a man to utter."


    I suspect that Paul may have had a near death experience during this event:

    https://www.blueletterbible.org/kjv/act/14/21/s_1032021

    Acts 14:18

    "And with these sayings scarce restrained they the people, that they had not done sacrifice unto them.

    And there came thither certain Jews from Antioch and Iconium, who persuaded the people, and, having stoned Paul, drew him out of the city, supposing he had been dead.

    Howbeit, as the disciples stood round about him, he rose up, and came into the city: and the next day he departed with Barnabas to Derbe."
     
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    As you answer the poll.....
    please try your best to decide.... which one of these two people
    is being intellectually honest....... because millions of people report
    to having had an experience much like Colton had.......
    and all of them say that what they saw and experienced in the out of the body state.......
    is mind blowing and is very difficult to explain in English.... or any other language......

    At the 47 minute mark Mr. Justin Peters refers to the Alex Malarkey case.......
    which in my opinion.. .is another case.... .where family members of Alex Malarkey.....
    have probably put such pressure on the young person...... that they gave up and
    admitted that his near death experience account was false.......
    but look at the context.......
    family members who were in a church... put pressure on little Alex Malarkey to
    RECANT of his near death experience account.......

    https://www.theguardian.com/books/2015/jan/21/boy-who-came-back-from-heaven-alex-malarkey

    The boy who didn't come back from heaven: inside a bestseller's 'deception'
    .....
    .....

    In this particular case.... Alex's mom ......
    is mad that Alex's dad... was making some money off the book!

    So Alex's mom.... goes to work on Alex!

    And many pastors... after studying for four or many more years to understand the Bible.... who consider themselves to be experts on the Bible......... don't like to meet a Colton Burpo who after a brief near death experience knows far, far, far, far more than they do.... about the real meaning of the Bible......... after all those years of study!
     
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    John 16:25

    "These things have I spoken unto you in proverbs: but the time cometh, when I shall no more speak unto you in proverbs, but I shall shew you plainly of the Father."

    My theory... is that the being of light of NDE fame who reviews lives with Christians.... is Messiah Yeshua - Jesus in his resurrected form.........
    and he is now free to keep his promise to...... in the future.... speak plainly of the Father........

    and what the real plan of G-d was from the beginning........
     
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    Around the (1:00) one hour mark of the video
    this verse is quoted by Dr. Steve Lawson.....

    John 1:15


    John bare witness of him, and cried, saying, This was he of whom I spake, He that cometh after me is preferred before me: for he was before me.
    And of his fulness have all we received, and grace for grace.
    For the law was given by Moses, but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ.
    No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him."

    This verse is true..... but......
    Mr. Justin Peters should know that other verses are important too......

    Matthew 27:51

    "And, behold, the veil of the temple was rent in twain from the top to the bottom; and the earth did quake, and the rocks rent;"

    Mark 15:38

    "And the veil of the temple was rent in twain from the top to the bottom."

    Luke 23:45

    "And the sun was darkened, and the veil of the temple was rent in the midst."


    Up until the time of the death, burial and resurrection of Messiah Yeshua - Jesus.....
    I believe that the people who had a visitation from G-d... actually met the Word / Logos.....
    a member of the Elohim.......
    who in Genesis stated:

    Genesis 1:26


    And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.
    So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them."

    The best theory that I have read on this so far is that these Elohim = the Seven Spirits of G-d but.....
    each one has a female twin... so there are really 14 Elohim........

    The G-d who no man had ever seen..... is The Ancient of Days the Father.....

    John 14:28

    Ye have heard how I said unto you, I go away, and come again unto you. If ye loved me, ye would rejoice, because I said, I go unto the Father: for my Father is greater than I."

    Jhn 10:29

    My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand."

    These verses, in my opinion, identify the being of light of near death experience fame as the Word / Logos of the Elohim....

    Hebrews 9:27

    And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment:"

    http://www.drbo.org/chapter/30006.htm

    [6] For my angel is with you: And I myself will demand an account of your souls."

    I think that Mr. Justin Peters should realize that the tearing of the veil of the temple in two.......
    has opened the way for Mr. Colton Burpo and others... to actually see the Ancient of Days the Father......
    especially in the out of body state.....
    which is different from a man while our soul is still in the body.
     
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    No wonder Ms. Beth Malarkey wants to shut down the book about her son!

    https://www.theguardian.com/books/2015/jan/21/boy-who-came-back-from-heaven-alex-malarkey
    Now I am one of those people who believe that G-d uses symbols.....
    to teach us lessons over and over and over again........
    and I don't think that it is a coincidence that Alex's mom
    wants to discredit her son's book........
    largely due to the fact that her estranged former husband......
    has turned their son's near death experience into a career!?

    Now I am of the belief that near death experience accounts are being used by G-d
    to open up direct communication between G-d and all humans......
    that will bypass the metaphorical mom's....... the church denominations.........


    Jeremiah 31:34

    "And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the LORD: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the LORD: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more."


    http://didyoulearntolove.org/2017/10/05/the-second-reformation-is-at-hand/
    His Holiness Pope Francis is well aware of this controversy.......
    to their credit America's Roman Catholic Church is one of the first ones
    to approach Colton Burpo..... hoping that he will be attracted to studying with them......

    ..... I believe that Mrs. Bonnie Jones' dream is inspired.... and I believe that Pope Francis himself should
    free up Catholics..... to go directly to the Ancient of Days the Father..........
    and bypass the metaphorical mother... .The Roman Catholic Church........
    I am convinced that near death experience accounts are Messiah Yeshua - Jesus finally speaking plainly of the Father.......

    and even back in the 18th century.......
    the real plans of G-d for humanity were being shown through near death experiencers.... which in my
    opinion are a new level of apostle / prophet... that are kind of like Moses... in that they went up... met with G-d....
    came back down in a state of awe..... with their faces glowing.......
    and pastors want these new prophets to veil their faces.......
    and submit to the supposed experts who have studied the Christian scriptures for so many years.........

    My strong suspicion is that Pope Francis.....
    will ... .before his term is over... free up Catholics to deal directly with G-d......
    because he will realize that the implications of that veil being torn in two...... are off the scale......

    The being of light of NDE fame who reviews lives with Christians.... surely.....
    must be Messiah Yeshua - Jesus - Issa in his glorious and immortal form:

    http://www.drbo.org/cgi-bin/d?b=drb&bk=50&ch=5&l=22#x

    "For neither doth the Father judge any man, but hath given all judgment to the Son."
    [John 5:22]
     

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