If Trump burned everybody alive who didn't vote for him, would you then condemn him?

It's funny that people think that a person has to have a self-interest in something to champion it - such as a gay person fighting for gay rights or a black person marching in Selma. No, I'm not gay, just more caring than Christians are - I don't need to have a self-interest in condemning the immorality of Christianity/Jesus.....I just need to have a bigger heart than they do, which I of course have.

 

There is no 'hell'. No one is cast out - no one. Who told you these things? All Muslims, ethical and otherwise, along with everyone else, moral or otherwise, gets another shot at the karmic wheel, and another and another. You're so delusional you don't even love yourself.

 

Maybe. But, at the moment, you can't point to as clear a sign as I did in my email.

Well yeah... But they were rocketing even before Trump had signed any relevant legislation. As a matter of fact, it was rocketing beforeTrump was even a candidate for President. Waaaay before Trump passed the only legislation that might arguably be related: the tax cuts for the rich bill.

I read the whole thing through and found no clue as to the limit of Trump fanaticism is, or what it had to do with my post. It just underlines the same blind fanaticism. This belief that Trump has accomplished anything even without passing any legislation.

 

You stand in judgment of everyone else - that's someone with low self esteem, that's why you feel you need to aggrandize yourself while putting Christians down.

 

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BINGO, we have a winner! Yes, the entire Bible is "hearsay and not proof"! So I left "Jesus" to become a more loving, more logical, more scientifically-correct, more compassionate Modern Secular Humanist. Best thing I ever did.

 

Which one of us is the egomaniac?
A. "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me......IT'S ALL ABOUT ME, ME, ME!!!" - Jesus, paraphrased.
OR
B. "I don't claim to know where we go when we die, and I'd let even ethical NON-BELIEVERS into my heaven, if it were up to me." - FreedomSeeker.

The answer is pretty obvious - "A" is an egomaniac, while "B" is humble and compassionate.

 

Then JESUS has "low self esteem" because he judges, as well. Doesn't sound too "all-knowing" to me.

 

So if the Bible is hearsay, why accuse Jesus of acts you have no proof of? Judging others is not an act of love, and we've not witnessed any acts of compassion by you and blaming Jesus for false claims made in the Bible could hardly be considered scientific.

 

I'll admit that I wasn't there - but can we agree that if, repeat if, hypothetically here (to find out YOUR ethical level), that if Jesus DID (just say) happen to kill multiple innocent people as a young person, that you'd condemn Jesus for that like I of course do?
Think carefully. Would you? If not then I argue that, if you're a Christian, that Jesus has failed to create an ethical/loving person in you, and is therefore a bad teacher of ethics. However, I'd blame JESUS for that, and not you.
What say you?

 

So can we agree that Jesus was wrong in Revelation saying that we can't, basically, make AMENDMENTS to the Bible?

 

I say they got that wrong....but Christians lack the moral integrity to say what exactly that JESUS got wrong.

 

Serious enough. I don't know that he would lose any of his core base. They could come out saying "the sitting President can't be prosecuted"

John McCain

Roy Moore

Well...many. As did Obama. But that's not the point. The point is that his fanatic supporters favor it.

Putin, Kim Jong Un, ...

 

I haven't been napping for TWO THOUSAND years like someone I could mention.

 

Sigh, we’ve been over this already. Jesus was dead for more than a century when Revelation was written. John of Patmos wrote Revelation and he never met Jesus.

 

a. is another false premise to begin with. Did you actually hear Him say that? No.
B. is what I said earlier and letting them in would not be up to you. We will all be let in, everyone of us.

 

Take you meds.

 

Please please please tell me that you're a Christian so that I can point out the most hypocritical post off all time...please!

 

Plenty of them do. There’s lots of Christians who readily criticize the biases displayed by the writers.

 

Another lie or maybe another delusion. It's getting hard to tell the difference.

 

Great, I'm glad you think "We will all be let in, everyone of us." So can you, like, me, condemn the Bible for all the following verses that say just the OPPOSITE of what you said?


John 14:6: Jesus answered, "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me"

Acts 4:12, 2 Thessalonians 1:1-10, John 3:18, John 10:27-28, Matthew 10:32, Luke 12:8, John 5:2, John 3:36, John 6:47, Acts 16:31, Romans 10:9, Revelation 19:20, 20:10,14-15, 21:8, John 15:6: Jesus said “Unless a person remains united with me, he is thrown away like a branch and dries up. Such branches are gathered and thrown into the fire, where they are burned up."

Matthew 13:41-42, 49-50 - The Son of Man will send his angels, and they will gather out of his kingdom all causes of sin and all law-breakers, and throw them into the fiery furnace. In that place there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth. So it will be at the end of the age. The angels will come out and separate the evil from the righteous and throw them into the fiery furnace. In that place there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.

Mark 9:43, 48-49 - And if your hand causes you to sin, cut it off. It is better for you to enter life crippled than with two hands to go to hell, to the unquenchable fire where their worm does not die and the fire is not quenched.’ For everyone will be salted with fire.

Matthew 22:13 - Bind him hand and foot and cast him into the outer darkness. In that place there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.

Matthew 8:12 - while the sons of the kingdom will be thrown into the outer darkness. In that place there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.

Matthew 25:46 - And these will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous into eternal life.

Revelation 14:9-11; 19:3 - If anyone worships the beast and its image and receives a mark on his forehead or on his hand, he also will drink the wine of God’s wrath, poured full strength into the cup of his anger, and he will be tormented with fire and sulfur in the presence of the holy angels and in the presence of the Lamb. And the smoke of their torment goes up forever and ever, and they have no rest, day or night, these worshipers of the beast and its image, and whoever receives the mark of its name. The smoke from her goes up forever and ever.

Luke 12:5 - But I will warn you whom to fear: fear him who, after he has killed, has authority to cast into hell. Yes, I tell you, fear him!

 

How is it a lie, exactly?

 

I'm not a Christian, but it just proves that you've got a hard on for Christians.

 

By the way, you seem to, in your posts, think that Islam is far worse than the Bible. I do agree with you that Islam is terrible, but it's not worse than your Bible is, as this clearly shows:
Number of Cruel or Violent Passages:
Bible 1321
Quran 532
http://dwindlinginunbelief.blogspot.com/2006/06/which-is-more-violent-bible-or-quran.html

 

No more hypocritical than your stance on science.

IE, you have no leg to stand on

 

So then you condemn the Bible for being mostly hearsay, then (you condemned hearsay in that previous post), like I do, right?