House Intelligence memo released: What it says

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  1. Fred C Dobbs

    Fred C Dobbs Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Dems always always revert to ad hominems when the facts work against them. Yes, they did it with Ken Starr and now they're doing it with Devin Nunes. It's so stale but they're trapped in that singular tactic.
     
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    No. They had plenty of reason to get a warrant and used whatever they had on hand to get one.
    Who knows? Is Trump using FISA for his purposes? Again, who knows?
    We probably haven't stooped that low yet.
     
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    How can you claim they waited when you claim they were being turned down?
     
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    The RUSSIANS didn't tell Papadopoulos that!!!! A professor from Malta whom he knew told him he had heard that. It was all HEARSAY And we are supposed to believe THAT start a FISA warrant and a SC investigation?

    A British agent told the Clinton campaign HE HAD dirt from Russia on Trump and SOLD IT TO THEM. Who has been indicted for that? Is this being investigated by the SC? Where were the FISA warrants to listen in on the Clinton campaign?
     
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    What reason? What was the probable cause of what crime?
     
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    "American hero Joe McMarthy"? Pfffffffffffffffffffffffffffffft, he was a dick.
     
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    If you are being turned down you have no choice but to wait.....derp!!!!
     
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    A FISA warrant is not like the normal Warrant. It is designed to operate given foreign agents. I have no problem with FISA when used correctly. Funny innit how devoted to killing them were Democrats when Clinton was president and same with Obama but now they appear to have staged a comeback to try to smear Trump.

    I see no warrants at all against Trump. Saw 2 for money laundering by two men and 2 for lying to the FBI, yet none against Trump. At that rate, I am pleased.
     
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    The point is, the chaos and our never ending "crises of this-that-and-the-other" is as useful to the power structure on the home front as is our constant destabilization of the middle east in that region. The less apt we are to find a resolution, the more useful to our authoritarian power structure.
     
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    Well, he fought communism in the USA. I am never surprised when Democrats hated the communists getting investigated. Turns out, Joe was accurate for the most part. This infuriates Democrats for some odd reason.
     
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    Ever wonder why we have to export our "way of life" via violence and endless warring? Might have something to do with our political/"legal"/economic system.
     
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    Sure he did. Sure, only "Democrats" didn't and don't see him that way. Accurate "for the most part"? The guy was a thought police paranoid schizophrenic.
     
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    I predict that when this wraps up, Mueller will get accused of covering up for Trump and smashed by Democrats exactly like they smashed Judge Kenneth Starr. They were brutal to Starr. Muellers problem to date is he went fishing for whale and got a pair of minnows.
     
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    Not so odd when you read "The Venona Papers", or Mona Charen''s books on The Useful Idiots and how the Dems got it all wrong during the Cold War. This is just more of the same.
     
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    This claim is not backed up by fact. Bush used Afghanistan forces to retake Afghanistan. I felt it was a fine plan to help the natives win their country back.

    We never saw an accurate enemy count due to the flakes reporting on Iraq who counted car bombs used by the enemy as part of the war that Bush waged. Bush won his war and lost 140 of our troops. During WW2, FDR lost in some conflicts up to 10,000 per day and at guadalcanal he lost close to 50,000 on a very small island. We had puny losses compared to the old days. Franks waged war using our troops and multi nations forces. And he beat up Saddam very quickly.
     
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    And what he got from those minnows was obtained illegally or under heavily biased circumstances.
     
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    Joe was well aware of the danger the Soviets put us in. I thank him for making sure congress was taking some action. I do not believe many Americans, especially Democrats understood the danger of the Soviets They now ascribe to the present Russia things that are not true, yet were true under the Soviets. Figure that one out. I blame our media.
     
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    Sure but if this was "an honest look" there wouldn't even be an independent counsel, it would just be the intelligence community doing intelligence work and writing intelligence reports that none of us would know about. An independent counsel has nothing to do in investigating Russian involvement with our election, this is simply a political act.
     
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    Many of them identified with the Communists than their own governments and political systems, even after learning many of the truths. This applied to Leftists everywhere.
     
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    Yeah, america is all about helping the "natives win their country back". You have no grasp of your national history, at all. And we're never leaving are we.

    Afghanistan mineral deposits estimated at $1 trillion
    http://www.mining.com/afghanistan-mineral-deposits-estimated-at-1-trillion-dollars-82470/

    How many other places are we bombing? Get real, I have no time for your corporate state illusions.
     
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    Well sure, that's why we call anyone who has another idea a "commie", then we can just drift off into psychobabble and everyone nods in conformity.
     
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    Bwa ha ha, well, your democrats seem to be all about Russia now, heh? Guess that lefty commie Bill Clinton should not have deregulated the FCC so that only 6 monopolistic corporations could preside over what 50 some odd companies back in the 1980s used to. So yeah, your corporate state media machine is what it is.
     
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    Focus. Little bites, that's how one consumes an elephant.
     
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    So says a religious traditionalist whose Imaginary Friend tells them to push pregnant women around? So says a guy who says he cares about individual rights but is silent about the jailing of millions of American drug users?
    I'm not a Republican because the party has been hijcked by religious types who push pregnant women around, have a batsh*t crazy "war on drugs," and support corporate crooks like Trump.
    No, it's stupid. You seem incapable of understanding there are real conservatives who think President Bone Spurs is a disgrace, Republican policies are in opposition to individual rights, and the party sides against individuals and small business. How many mom and pop corner stores, motels, etc. have been run out of business by chain operations? Do you even know how chains crush local businesses?

    You strike me as someone who has never run a business and knows very little about how the economy operates.
     
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    A lot of the reason for the pathological hatred of Richard Nixon by the left was his investigation of State Department communist infiltrators , Alger Hiss in particular.
     

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