Arm the teachers...seriously?

I give keynote speeches to new teachers on classroom management and something I have discovered when I speak near Quantico is how these retired Marines think teaching is going to be a snap and they can’t control classes. I guess they can’t do the same things they do the Marines
Just because you know the subject doesn’t mean you can teach it

 

Private schools should be allowed to decide whether or not they want to allow their teachers to conceal carry while at work. Furthermore, we should have education vouchers so parents can choose which schools to send their children to, so they're not forced to attend schools with looney tunes that might shoot up the school one day because all levels of government, from the school board all the way up to the federal government, fail to do something about them.

 

How can you when it doesn't make a lick of sense. Unless you've drank the Kool-Aid from liberal la la land.

 

If it makes you happy. But come to think of libs are really the societal suicide class.

 

yes Teachers that choose to go through the training would be there for a dual role, teaching and the last line of defense. Do you have kids? If a gunman was shooting up your kids school and entered your childs classroom.. would you want your kids teacher to try and talk to him as he guns the whole class down? or be armed and maybe just maybe she or he can end the threat?

And your hypothetical what if a student jumps the teacher.. well if that student wanted to go on a murdering spree then the teacher not having a gun is not going to stop him.. He will get a gun by other means, it make bombs or go on a stabbing spree.. Its not the gun that causes people to turn into murderers.. and why couldnt that same kid just grab the security officers gun?

At lest with the teacher no one would really know which teacher is armed.. your security officer solution every kid knows who the security officer is..

 

we have a single police officer in my sons high school but even then it's ludicrous to think that he even a handgun has a chance against a shooter with an assault rifle is fooling themselves, they've been watching to many tv cop shows...when it's assault rifle vs cop with a handgun it's time to call the swat team...

 

I am a teacher and there is no way on earth that I would consider sacrificing my life. Being in a shootout with a killer would probably mean my death...Unless of course the shooter is willing to wait for me to get my gun

 

Why cower? I just took a first responders course on active shooters and one thing they stress in schools is to deny the shooter access to any room you are in by any means available from locking the door to pushing filing cabinets and heavy desks in front of the door to the room, in the meantime while that is going on, you can look for alternate way out of the classroom such as going out a window if at all possible and if the shooter somehow manages to break into the room, using anything as a weapon, such as a baseball bat or large metal objecct to bash the gunman over the head/arms/ect, possibly rendering him/her unconscious. If they are going to kill you, what have you got to loose??

 

No teacher will be able to talk a crazed gunman out of shooting, nor should he/she try to. Read post #958 for my response.

Hypothetically I could come up with any excuse; what would a teacher do if a truck filled with 30 terrorists showed up and they ran into the school and started firing their automatic weapons? How much of a chance would a teacher stand in those circumstances? Would he/she bravely stand out in the hallway and open fire? Or run for his life with the rest of those in the building??

Most teachers are not trained in personal defense, thus it would be easier to wrestle control of the weapon from the teacher; on the other hand, Law Enforcement Officers have the training to fight to maintain possession of their weapon. They also have other options available to them as well, something which teachers do not have.

If you are doubting that teachers are not assaulted, then I suggest you read up on the NYC schools; you'll find that teachers are attacked on a daily basis throughout the five boroughs everyday.

Btw, I've yet to see a gun prevent a planted bomb from detonating. That's a new one.

All the more reason that acts as a deterrent for a potential shooter. A shooter will try to stay clear of an Officer or trained security personnel in most cases.

In many areas of the country school districts are finding out that many teachers have no desire to arm themselves or if they have a CCW permit, they have no desire to bring a weapon into the school . If they cannot find any volunteers, then what?

 

WTF??? That is the precise definition of responsible adult. What color is the sky in your world?

On what evidence do you take this position?

I've thought it through from every conceivable angle. I have yet to see even a suggestion from you about how to respond to the next school shooting.

More preposterous ignorance from you. Shocking. Not. At. All.

Oh gosh I have seen teachers drive a car, play softball, cook gourmet meals, play the piano... heck, teachers can do lots of things. You should give them a little more credit. I have even seen teachers handle firearms and shoot with extreme skill.

What is your solution?

 

I agree that they should do everything possible to avoid being a victim. Since not all teachers will be armed I would put a real baseball bat in every classroom. If the teacher can't swing the bat effectively, I'll bet some of the students will. My 16 year old is 6 feet tall, weighs 180 lbs and plays high school baseball. I still don't understand the objections of some to allow volunteer teachers to undergo training and be allowed to arm themselves for the protection of themselves and their students.

 

Maybe get your facts straight. https://nypost.com/2018/02/27/schoo...ng-armed-teachers-one-step-closer-to-reality/

 

An even better weapon to use against someone with a gun is... wait for it...

a gun.

 

You still don't get it, do you?

 

I hope you’re joking. I can just see it now somebody comes in the way he did in Florida, And the teacher will say, “. Can you wait a few minutes while we move the furniture around before you shoot us?” Will you go on people seem to believe that there is no element of surprise and you have all this time to think it through. Why don’t you worry more about getting guns out of these hands of the crazies

 

I am a teacher and there is no way on earth that you could get me to carry a gun. Why don’t you worry about the guns? I am not a cop

 

Have you ever been in a situation where your life is in immediate danger? You'd be amazed at how fast you can move furniture, etc when the adrenaline is flowing. This is what they are teaching people who are first responders, teachers and support staff. There is a three-hour long program on how to defend yourself in the event a shooter enters the school and opens fire.

I'm no teacher and have no guns, but If I was a teacher, there is no way you'd ever get me to carry a gun in a school. That's the job for the police and trained security agents.

You'll never get guns out of the hands of criminals as long as conservatives are running the country.

 

well all teachers are not carbon copies of you. If you are the type of person that will cower vs fight that doesn't mean that all teachers share your lack of heroism..

For a teacher you sure are lacking some common sense here.. If a shooter comes into the school and you hear gunshots in the hallway or in the classroom across from you, you are not going to barricade the door??
Your looking at the worst case scenario and just saying well it wont work..

 

Yes, you’ve made this point ad nauseum. And I am not going to ask you to carry one, nor anyone who is uncomfortable handling a firearm. Guns are not the problem — but rather individuals who behave badly and sometimes misuse firearms in the commission of a violent crime. Why don’t you worry about the bad guys?

Both of my sisters are teachers in large suburban districts just like Parkland, FL. One is an expert marksman and holds a CHL. She would do anything to protect her kids — including using her own body to shield them from the gunfire like the heroic gym teacher did at MSDHS — giving up her own life so the kids might escape. Why would you put my sister in that position? Why would you deny her the ability to adequately respond to some cretin intent on killing innocents? Deadly force can only be met with deadly force. Until people who hold views such as yours acknowledge this fact, the killings will continue.

In an ideal world we wouldn’t need guns. We don’t live in an ideal world. And your idealism will just insure more kids and teachers will die.

I’d perfer my sister — and you — don’t have to ever make that decision to jump in front of gunfire. As it stands today, however, if my sister ever brought her lawfully-concealed handgun to work, she would not only end her career but also go to jail. That’s simply wrong.

 

Not allowing people on the do-not-fly list, people with certain mental disabilities and felons to purchase any type of guns. Assault weapon sale and purchase ban. Ban high capacity magazines and "cop killing" bullets. Guns for cash programs, focusing especially on assault weapons.... etc. There is quite a bit that can be done.

 

What is it I’m supposed to “get?”

A mini baseball bat is a good defensive weapon against a gunman?

 

None of that will stop a person intent on doing harm from doing so.

 

Not by putting more lives in danger than the ones they might protect.

Yes. You! Why else would you talk about "cowering"? Let's not play games... Your "Some-of-my-acquaintances-are-gay" type response does not change what you said.

 

Committing to defend the life of others when you don't have the skills nor the proper training to carry out both a teacher's and a security guard's job is your definition of a "responsible adult"?

No wonder we got Trump!

On your inability to foresee or even consider all the consequences of an absolutely irresponsible and senseless policy.

Respond? We want to avoid it, if possible. Probably not possible at this point. But we can start taking steps to mitigate the consequences of, not only school shootings, but all mass shootings. And I have expressed many times what policies I favor. Most of them have appeared before congress, and kept from being voted on by Republicans. As mandated by their gun-lobby owners.

And, in your world, confronting a psycho with an assault weapon is pretty much the same as those, right?

Which, in your world, is all they need to know to confront a psycho with an assault weapon, right?

I don't know what the "solution" is. But I know what can reduce the number of instances and mitigate the effects. But it's not mine. And it's not turning teachers into vigilantes. The necessary policies have been debated many times before. But the gun-lobby Party has managed to stop them all.

 

What would prevent that now?