Russian aligarch calls Mueller's bluff, will see him in court, catches him totally off guard.

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  1. bx4

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    Watch out - your ignorance is showing. Don't accuse me of something unless you are certain you can back it up.

    I'm not a "lib" so don't put me into that category.

    I have not ever "convicted" him of anything and I am not calling for his impeachment. You repeat RW talking points as if they actually have some basis in fact. CNN, this very day, posted a story in which they said, "there's no evidence that Trump broke the law before the election or since". Yet you would have us believe that CNN claims there is proof of collusion between Russia and Trump. They aren't saying that.

    As for other court decisions, I have no idea which decisions you are talking about. Essentially you are saying, "I accused you of X. I can't back that up, so I insist that you prove the negative of X."
     
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    I was thinking the same thing. After 2 years of lynching Trump and accusing him of all sort of crimes, from jay walking to treason, suddenly the libs are discovering the presumption of innocence. Things must be really bad in their bubble lol
     
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    Ronstar Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    its a fact that Trump can be charged with all sorts of crimes
     
  4. Fred C Dobbs

    Fred C Dobbs Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    It gives everyone a chance to 'peer into Mueller's investigation'. Don't you want that? Or do you prefer the present Star Chamber approach?
    Again, everyone should be able to see the evidence if they are being charged with a crime. There is no evidence Donald Trump was ever guilty of a crime but this investigation continues anyway, searching for a crime. Is that what you really want?
    He wants to keep any 'evidence' away from everyone, including the American people.
    On one hand, maybe he should not have filed charges so early if he wanted to keep the evidence under wraps for now. On the other hand, I will wait to see how this all plays out. It would not surprise me if the court asks, at some point, whether the corporation is actually going to appear in court through one of its officers. I doubt that will happen.
    Mueller is not as innocent as you may think and, if the Russians can bring the truth to light, why not? Isn't that what the President and most Americans want?
    Wanting the truth is not anti American Quite the opposite in fact.
     
  5. Borat

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    So can a ham sandwich. Proving guilt in front of a judge and jury is another matter entirely. You of all people refused to bet on it.
     
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  6. Ronstar

    Ronstar Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    i bet you $10 Trump will be indicted.
     
  7. Fred C Dobbs

    Fred C Dobbs Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    So can we all. I believe it was a Russian who said something like, "Give me the man and I'll find you a crime". This is what's happening with Robert Mueller's Star Chamber.
     
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    While the first part may be true, the second one clearly isn't.

    The purpose of these indictments was to pursue a case that would almost certainly expose whether Trump campaign officials participated or were read into the Russian campaign.
     
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    Trump should be about the easiest criminal to indict
    in the entire country. And good luck suing the government, Donnie.
    Lawsuits have been your song-and-dance for generations, but this
    is a whole new ballgame.
     
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  10. Borat

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    I bet you $500 he won't be convicted in a court by a jury.
     
  11. TomFitz

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    2 years? He hasn't been President for two years.

    The first official concerns about Russian collusion were not raised until January of 2017.

    By the time November rolls around, it will be coming up on two years. But then, Watergate took longer.

    And back then, there was more than one actual investigation, and no lickspittle lapdog Congress busy looking the other way or issuing whitwashes without actually looking at any evidence.
     
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    that kinda money you're sure to Welch out of the bet.
     
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    Nixon involved a known crime to investigate. This witch hunt does not have a crime.
     
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    I have no idea either way.

    Trump can be tricked into sitting down for an interview, and tricked reletively easily. All Mueller has to do is appeal to his vanity and his sense in invincibility.

    Bill Clinton was a lot smarter than that, and a lot smarter than Trump (which isn't saying much).

    Trump before a grand jury (still a possibility even if he sits down with Mueller), without an attorney in an open format where he will have to answer questions or plead the 5th, would be a disaster.

    Every lawyer who ever represented him in a deposition has said so. The man won't shut up, and won't listen to his lawyers.
     
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    how about the guy the went in armed over the pizza gate nonsense, I think we can say he was definitely effected, but that is a extreme example, alternative facts if believed can have an effect, but I can see how that that voted for the alternative fat Presidency would not want to admit that
     
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    Any lawyer worth his salt would tell anyone they represent that.
     
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    had Trump not fired Comey, there would be no need to investigate Obstruction, going on public tv and claiming he did it over the Russia investigation did not help Trump any

    lying about the meeting with the Russians did not help either

    lot of Russia connection in this Admin, and refusing to release his taxes, that was not smart either.. .unless what he is hiding woudl be worse if it came out

    personally I think it may turn out to be something like money laundering that is being hidden, but we will see
     
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    Defending yourself in the Courts is not a 'stunt', it's an absolute right, and Concord, unlike so many the Mueller team has brought in front of them, can afford to defend themselves.

    That Concord dares to accept their challenge in a court of law rather than just play along must have come as a dep shock to Mueller, Rosenstein, Comey, et al.
     
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    Then where are the untruths? Should be easy pickings for a smart guy like you..
     
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    Confession is good for the soul.
     
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    Fred C Dobbs Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Yes, it would have to involve 'trickery' to create a crime, as you say, because there is still no sign of any actual crime having been committed.
     
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    Actually, not so. In most cases, the option isn't even available.
     
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    Yes, poor snowflake Donnie, whines and bitches about being treated "fairly"

    As if he ever treated anyone fairly, or even understands the concept.

    He's a piss poor politician if he is dumb enough to cry about being treated "fairly".

    Like Harry Truman said, "If you can't stand the heat, get out of the kitchen".

    Trump can't stand the heat. He's the weakest excuse for a leader ever to sit in the White House.

    He can't take it, and he whines like a baby at every turn.

    Besides, it won't take much of a trick to get Trump to incriminate himself. Between himself and the collection of clowns that he has had for attorneys, they've managed to do that with no help or trickery from anyone.
     
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    "There is no evidence Donald Trump was ever guilty of a crime but this investigation continues anyway, searching for a crime. Is that what you really want?"

    Wow! This is the first time I've seen you post something dumb.

    That is exactly what very many really, really want.

    By Any Means Necessary!

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    http://www.bamn.com/social-justice/...-counter-protest-the-pro-trump-berkeley-rally
     
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    You were the one who mentioned 'trickery'.

    "Trump can be tricked into sitting down for an interview, and tricked reletively easily. All Mueller has to do is appeal to his vanity and his sense in invincibility".

    You agree then that the only way Mueller can find any evidence of wrongdoing is to concoct it through deception.

    Do you really need reminding that this 'piss poor politician' defeated 16 other Republican candidates and then went on to defeat Hillary Clinton - who had the media, the establishment, celebrities and all the big money behind her?
     
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