Why not mandate trigger locks and locked gun cases?

Then rather than saying "sensible gun laws", just say ban guns and get it over with.

Of course, we have the other anti-gun crowd saying they don't want to take our guns.

 

Guns aren't really banned in those nations as much as they are stringently regulated. Some still are held in private hands

I would let people own guns under a license. The license would be granted after an extensive background check and a comprehensive mental health evaluation which exam would be renewed annually. Additionally, you would be held liable for all the damage your gun did if stolen or otherwise allowed to cause harm and required to carry insurance for that..

In exchange I would let all licenses be CCW. If someone is willing to do the above why shouldn't they be able to carry it about?

Most reasonable people in America don't want to "take your guns". That's pure paranoid fantasy, they just want to do SOMETHING about these horrible massacres. They recognize, as you would think most people would, that you just can't have that kind of thing going on with any real kind of frequency and still have a viable society. I think they don't understand that what they're proposing is far, far from enough to do anything and that what we need to do is to catch up to the rest of the world in this area.

 

Under their laws, I would not be able to keep my guns.

 

Would that be so bad?

 

I have been through this numerous times. We are a minimum of fifteen minutes from law enforcement with no close neighbors. I am getting too old to defend my wife and me with fists or clubs.

 

I'm sure you would have no problem with any mental health evaluation, and your insurance would be heavily discounted We might even have a government subsidy for the insurance given your circumstances and if you needed it..

For someone like you something could be worked out. None of the nations I mentioned prohibit guns entirely, but what they do is apparently enough to stop the problem we are having to the extent we are having it.

 

Sure. Governments work out little problems like that all the time. No sweat.

 

Ah. You admit you cannot prove your statement true. Thank you.

 

- Get rid of most gun free zones.
- Adopt 'shall issue' carry permits across the entire US, including its external possessions
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For him as a law abiding citizen, yes. Yes it would be bad.

 

This has always been true, will always be true, and is true everywhere on earth.

Unsupportable nonsense.

 

You cannot show these laws are the cause for their comparatively low crime rates.
Until you can there no sense whatsoever to consider their adoption/

 

I can't show anything about anything to the degree of scientific exactitude you require, that kind of certainty doesn't exist in the real world. Post hoc can be used to establish a reasonable hypothesis and that is all we need for a law balancing an infantile hobby vs thousands of lives annually

 

Not to the extent you find tolerable. I like to send my kids off to school without the the same feeling I would have sending them into combat

Indeed it does by your interpretation. Going by you the government is forbidden from even trying to keep guns away from madmen, Going by me it is empowered to do this as a fundamental function.

Why?

 

They are safer in that school than they are in the vehicles taking them to school.

 

So you want everyone to be armed at all times. What better proof that gun advocates want a right to kill

 

Yeh, and we're all safer in planes than automobiles, So what do we need highly trained pilots to fly the planes and skilled mechanics to service them for? My 80 year old Aunt Gertrude always liked planes and Uncle Roy is a crackerjack with a car engine, let them take care of the 747's , we'll save a bundle on airfare.

 

Because he enjoys having a gun. Just as I do. Have you ever gone target shooting? It’s a lot of fun. Why should I or he not be able to do that because of those who use guns for the wrong reason?

 

Again, I can't prove anything true to the extent you require. I can to any reasonable person though

 

Because your doing that is a major proximate cause of thousands of deaths annually

 

I can just take a look at our family. I had one niece killed in an auto at about age 18 and one nephew severely injured in a motorcycle accident when he was about twenty five . He never fully recovered and passed away recently. I know personally of a number of people who have been killed or injured in vehicles, but none who have been killed or injured by guns. The point being, if I was going to worry, the school would be the last place I would worry about.

 

He must be doing something different than me. I target shoot and it is not the cause of a single death.

 

How so? How is my target shooting a major proximate cause of other people choosing to use their gun to kill?

 

Then actually cite where such has been proven as being the case. Show where anyone is advocating for a right to kill being created and recognized as valid. Actually demonstrate you know what you are talking about, rather than engaging in hyperbole.

When there are only a few million firearms at most in existence that have to be accounted for, it is a far different matter than an estimated three hundred to five hundred million, with an additional forty one thousand being added to that amount daily. No other country could do what they have done if they had to contend with the sheer volume the united states does currently. Other countries were quick to implement firearm-related restrictions early on, such as permits for ownership and registration requirements, whereas the united states did not follow suit. There is simply no comparison that can be made between the united states, and any other nation in the world with regard to firearms.

What needs to be given up is the foolish notion that all problems in the world actually possess a solution. Such is simply not the case. What motivates some individuals to go out and kill when they are bored, whereas others will simply engage in carpentry? Such is not known. It is an individual choice, and one that is unique to the individual in question. It is not something that can be understood by any other individual, and not something that can be addressed with legislative action.

 

Trayvon Martin safely returned to the home of his father on that night. The phone records proved such at trial. He then, for whatever reason, chose to go back and seek out George Zimmerman to confront him. Trayvon Martin died because he chose to be reckless and stupid, and act as if he had something that needed to be proven. He tracked down George Zimmerman, he engaged in felony assault and battery with a deadly weapon, he essentially signed his own death certificate.