Why the Right Wing Rejects Science

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  1. ChemEngineer

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    Kick them in the ass until their noses bleed, Professor. No mercy.
     
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    Yes I did and like I pointed out they still have one charge to dispose of, but I wouldn't characterize that as "FAR from over"
     
  3. Matt84

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    You made the claim, the onus is on you, not me.
     
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    Maybe you don't understand English.
    I SAID ANYTHING I cite, you would reject. ANYTHING.
    You have no clue as to what evidence and facts are. You fabricate anything you want and then giggle that you're a genius.

    So look it up. I already have. I know whereof I speak. You sit idly back and demand. Sorry, that crap doesn't cut it with me.
     
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    Likewise, so until you post some facts, you're just full of it.
     
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    They have barely scratched the surface of the legal system yet so yes, it is far from over.
     
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    ChemEngineer fails to support his claims...per ususal.
     
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    Interesting points.
     
  9. garyd

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    Do I laugh or cry? The left wants to control virtually every aspect of your life except pleasure and they'll leave that alone for now so you won't notice that you've lost control of everything else then they'll move on that. AGW is little more than another means of controlling people's lives. And everyone is trying to shove their version of morality down everyone else's throats there is no morally neutral position.
     
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    Until you demonstrate initiative and curiosity your opinions are worthless.
     
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    These AGW alarmists are dangerous and dishonest. They never include the benefits of global warming nor the fact that there is nothing politically possible that will significantly reduce CO2 emissions.
     
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    What the conservatives that you chose to label as the right want IS control. Not of you- but of their own lives, their liberty, their happiness. Controlling you is YOUR job, and therein lies the problems we are experiencing today. If you will not control yourself, conduct yourself in a way that respects society and the rights of others- then society has no choice, it must control you.

    Public, social chaos- the form of political dysfunction that is now being promoted and exercised by the democratic left- harms everyone, including those doing it. Order delivers progress toward desirable objectives, while social chaos goes ranting around like a decapitated chicken. You don't have to be very smart to understand the difference here. An orderly society where people respect each other is one where everybody of every kind benefits from it- but that takes responsible, respectable adults. Men; not boys who have grown up and still think like punk kids.

    I had a friend who was a well respected judge, and we used to discuss law- him an expert, me a layman. In one discussion, he said:
    "The best regulation is self regulation- people do the right thing, because it is the right thing, and because their character demands it of them. We need laws mostly because we have people who refuse to regulate themselves, and will do anything that society will allow them to get away with. If everybody self-regulated, I would probably be out of work."

    IF you want the freedom to control your own life, you cannot go about abusing the lives of others.
     
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    The anti-science argument doesn't work anymore.

    Not since trying to change the definition of masculinity, equality, diversity and god knows what else.

    Democrats held a couple of scientific standards until they became Progressives. Now they have no leg to stand on as they try to say that there are 50+ genders and god knows what else.

    This is a good example of why Progressives are killing the progress Democrats have made. Sadly, we will now continue to shift Right since they screwed things up so badly
     
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    Politically possible- I agree. However, the ecologically obsessed AGW alarmists could voluntarily stop emitting CO2 personally, thereby making a strong contribution to improving the problem.
     
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    When these people get lost, they really, really get lost. Waaay out there.....
     
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    A lot of confusion in the above post.

    I do not entirely agree with Wikipedia yet it says this.
    Some political scientists have suggested that the classifications of "left" and "right" are no longer meaningful in the modern complex world. Although these terms continue to be used, they advocate a more complex spectrum that attempts to combine political, economic and social dimensions.[50]

    A survey conducted between 1983 and 1994 by Bob Altemeyer of Canadian legislative caucuses showed an 82% correlation between party affiliation and score on a scale for right-wing authoritarianism when comparing right-wing and social democraticcaucuses. There was a wide gap between the scores of the two groups, which was filled by liberal caucuses. His survey of American legislative caucuses showed scores by American Republicans and Democrats were similar to the Canadian Right and liberals, with a 44% correlation between party affiliation and score.[51]

    Examining only evidence, it is the Democrats that are so hungry for new laws (control over humans/freedom) and not we republicans that support what appear to be millions of the new laws.

    We are far less authoritarian than the defenders called Liberal are. They I argue are not liberal at all. Based on their authoritarian record of making up new laws.
     
  17. Polydectes

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    character assassination.

    this is just run-of-the-mill narrowmindedness. It's kind of like if someone sees a black person committing a crime do you think all black people are criminals.

    I don't know whether you get this thing that right-leaning people are against ecology. I think it makes sense to use vehicles that use less fuel and pollute less. I think it makes sense to use renewable energy.

    I just don't buy the Doomsday Prophecy. People who make those are normally trying to manipulate gullible people.

    I've tried to have this discussion with them. They want none of it. You listen and believe or you are a heretic.

    I would say wear the science denier award from the left with honor. It means you don't buy into their pseudo-intellectual nonsense.
     
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    Really helpful post; well written; thoughtful; interesting. Many thanks. I'm a liberal who has had considerable difficulty understanding the thinking of conservatives--especially since the Tea Party of 2010. Your post was a breath of fresh air in the sense it helps me understand conservatives a bit better than before. Frankly, they are a mystery to me in many ways--even more so since the Tea Party movement of 2010 & Trump in 2016. I know I don't agree with them, but I still want to understand them as much as possible. Thank you for your insight.
     
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    What annoys me so much about the alarmists is when we suggest cures, they go .... oh hell no, you will not get away with planting more trees. No sir, trees do not cure warming. They focus only on our economics of the industrial age. And call for a halt to it.
     
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    It is all we can do. They refuse to actually cure the problem. We on the right are the scientists. We argue with the social group, not the rest of scientists.

    We had a member that used to post named Chemengineer. He is still a member I believe but had some kind of ban on him at one time. Chemenginner met their challenges. Ergo banned.
     
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    Does the right ever tire of claiming that they are being victimised?
     
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    No chemengineer broke the rules

    Science is NOT on anyones "side"
     
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    Right now the right is doing precisely what you describe in such morose terms. The recent law in N Dakota requiring a street address for voting for the first time ever, is a way to steal away the voting rights of Native Americans living on 2 reservations in that state. That's using the law to restrict individual rights--even those rights guaranteed by the Constitution. Passing laws to restrict financial support for Medicaid is another way conservatives are reducing the rights of individuals--this time for access to healthcare. Conservative plans to challenge Roe vs Wade in the Supreme Court again to limit or eliminate a woman's right to determine her own health issues pertaining to abortions, is another example. Conservatives hoot & holler about how important individual rights are to them and how they hate having government intrude on their individual rights. But when empowered by voters, all they do is exactly what they deplore from Democrats--they use every means of government to restrict the rights of others. How incredibly hypocritical.
     
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    Really? What warming alarmist did that? Anyone concerned about global warming should be anxious to do ANYTHING possible to get it under control or reverse it. I'm very concerned about global warming & I'd strongly support the planting of more trees to help. Of course, that's not the whole answer. But it's a step. Why don't we stop our concentration on fighting each other and start working together to get something done?
     
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    To a Leftist science is only science if there left agrees with it.

    They are the pig characters in animal farm.
     

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