'Enemy of the people'

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  1. clarkeT

    clarkeT Well-Known Member

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    Trump has often used the term 'enemy of the people' when referring to news organizations such as CNN. He certainly seems to love that term used by Marxist, Nazi, and Communist regimes. Horrible that any President of the United States whose duty it is to uphold the Constitution would use such a term in ANY context. The real enemy of the people here is Trump himself.
     
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    So the president shouldn't be allowed to have an opinion? But you can have one? Curious.
     
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    I'm not a fiercy anti-trump, neither a pro-trump, but clearly for me Trump should learn to weight better his words. There is a tons of way to says that CNN are working against the interest of the people without using that heavy-of-consequences term "ennemy".
     
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    Certainly 'citizen' Trump is entitled to an opinion. But he is not just a citizen. Unfortunate as it is, he is the 'President of the United States'. As such it is his duty to uphold and defend the Constitution. Which guarantees freedom of the press. There are other ways of expressing his criticisms of the press. But he is SO NOT presidential he hasn't a clue on how to express those criticisms in less antagonistic way.
     
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    Such as what? What are some examples that can be provided for reference?
     
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    I see your point, and agree that DJT is a dangerous clown, but the other side of the coin is that our mainstream media is very much controlled by special interests including the CIA.

    They really believe they are telling the truth, but in so many cases they are not.

    Any group that deliberately and consistently advances falsehoods and propaganda is NOT the friend of the people.
     
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    Please give detailed and credible examples of how the 'mainstream media' is 'very much controlled by special interests including the CIA'. And when they are not 'telling the truth'. Oh and examples of 'deliberately and consistently advances falsehoods and propaganda'. Again detailed and credible examples.
     
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    Treating Christine Ford and the other accusers of Brett Kavanaugh as if they were credible in their accusations, even when they were continually changing their own stories of what happened.
     
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    "CNN is working against the interest of the american people"
    " CNN forgot what it is good for the american people"
    "CNN has a negative influence on USA"
    "CNN isn't an ally of the american people".

    See. There is plenty ways of saying it without using the ennemy word.
     
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    CNN got out of the news business long ago:

    "CNN stopped doing news a long time ago," King said while be interviewed by another former CNN anchor, Rick Sanchez. "They do Trump. Fox is Trump TV and MSNBC is anti-Trump all the time."

    "You don’t see a story — there was vicious winds and storms in the Northeast the other day — not covered on any of the three cable networks, not covered," King noted. "So when CNN started covering Trump — they were the first — they covered every speech he made and then they made Trump the story. So, Trump is the story in America."

    King's comments came just hours after the White House revoked CNN chief White House correspondent Jim Acosta's credentials following a tense exchange at Trump press conference.

    https://thehill.com/homenews/media/415669-larry-king-hits-cnn-stopped-doing-news-to-focus-on-trump

    The MSM in general is the enemy of the American people -- by commission and by omission.
     
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    I don't see that as any different from when he says "enemy of the people".
    He could say "I disagree with CNN's view," or something to that effect, but he is not the spokesperson for "the people".
    He just needs to shut up about it and accept that he's not a dictator and that half the country doesn't like him.
     
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    When news organizations are so obviously slanted that they undermine peoples' trust in the media, they work against the checks and balances that the free press is supposed to deliver. In that sense, they are enemies of our liberty ,,, in effect, the people.
     
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    I'd love to excoriate Trump on his use of this language that clearly hearkens back to times in human history we all wish we could forget.

    But instead, I'm painfully aware of how poorly spoken this president is, the majority of his ramblings are barely coherent and would be best described as word salad. The biggest mistake I think you can make in this scenario, is assigning any meaning to the unintelligible ramblings of a narcissistic reality TV show "star".
     
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    Why do you propose that Trump thinks of himself as a dictator?

    Should Trump just shut up and follow the instructions from the press? We never elected the press to run the country.
     
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    He can still think that CNN work against the interest of the people. Being president don't mean you stop to have an opinion, but as a public personn of high power, you have to weight your words.
     
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    No, he should not follow the instruction from the press any more than he should have temper tantrums when the press questions him or when the press wants clarification. He seems to demand loyalty, not only from his own people, but from Congress and the press. He seems to think that as president, everyone owes him obedience. He bullies and campaigns against elected representatives who don't support him.
     
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    Absolutely.
     
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    All these statements would cause a huge yawn and no reaction. Trump says they are "enemy of the people" and the entire MSM and social media keep blathering on non-stop about it, 24/7 and people pay attention, which is the goal.

    People understand that "enemy of the people" is just rhetoric but they take away the fact that fake news are in business of lying, distorting, spinning, pushing their own agenda....
     
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    We have a situation where the MSM press is instigating hostility and outrage simply as a political weapon. In any society, you have people that are in various mental states that are more of less prone to violence. Every time you raise the rhetoric a notch, you promote the state of mind of the vulnerable people to a more violent-prone level. As the promotion is general in nature (all white males are racists, etc) the conduct creates a focus on virtually everyone, not any particular offender. That is the people- and that is who the MSM's actions are targeting; anyone who doesn't agree with them. When you have members of congress like Maxine Waters believing it's acceptable to tell people to harass and trash anyone who supports the other party- you have incitement to riot; promoting the lynch-mob mentality. The closer you push the public temperament to the edge of violence, the more of it will occur, and those who promote it are directly responsible for the shift from logic and reason to violence.

    That does indeed make them the enemy of people- at least, the enemy of respectable people. That is what they CHOOSE to do, and with that goes the responsibility for the results of the seeds they sow.

    The age of professional, responsible journalism, something critical to the stability of the public perception, has been destroyed by such people- Now, a substantial part of the media simply promotes anger, hostility, outrage. Absolutely no question about that. It seems you are offended by the president calling that what it is.
     
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    Because any American worth their salt just loves this Mainstream Media
    who also Loved Barack HUSSEIN Obama.And His Economy.
    His deplorable Veterans Affairs Adm.His Targetting of Conservatives
    at his IRS. His Emasculating our Military.
    Again ... Obama's Economy.
    Or the way Obama ran around for weeks making the case
    the Benghazi Attack was due to some Muhammad video.
    Or how Obama's the only President in modern history to Pay ransom
    to Terrorists { Iran's held prisoner sway for pallets of cash }.
    Americans just can't stand the way this President doesn't need
    as much as a dime to free American Held prisoners.
    Americans just can't stand this Trump Economy.
    Americans just Love the way this MSM is tickled pink to
    constantly attack and find fault with President Trump,24/7.
    What are you ... some kind of nut.?
     
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    It is a term used by Stalin to crush any opposition he had. What a horrible thing to say in America.
     
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    Why do people insist it's only the "MSM" stoking the rage, fear, and hate? Is it so hard to admit that all those popular media sources are doing the same thing?
     
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    He preaches a damn good funeral.
     
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    I know. And Trump is trolling the narcissistic media with it and triggers them into bleating about it non-stop, becoming defensive and exposing themselves as lying fake media that they are. Isn't it brilliant?

    PS the liberal media scumbags who label everyone who dares to have an option a racist, a misogynist or insane should grow thicker skin when they are called the enemy of the people.
     

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