Trump to address nation regarding the national security crisis on the border

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  1. Zorro

    Zorro Well-Known Member

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    That's why Open Borders Democrats are against the.... because they work!
     
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    US Conservative Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Utter ***** liars, here for their short term political gain.
     
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    I said Americans were paying.

    You said, "that's correct".

    So Mexico is not paying.
     
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    Strange when Germans who have since nearly 30 years full sovereignity back, son't be silent anymore and shoot back to the smart alerking Americans, eh?
     
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    Reading correctly is not something you like, eh? Try again please...
     
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    O dear ... do you have any clue about your own boder situation to Mexico aside the bullcrap blabbering coming from Trump? Do you have any clue about the job of the officers of border control and how they do their job? Have you any clue about how the border is looking in detail?
    I habe doubts you have ... otherwise is your post not understandable!
     
  8. Zorro

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    It's quite simple. Open Borders Democrats are fine with all the rapes and murders. They would rather shut down the Federal government than secure the border.

    [​IMG]

    A woman elected from some gerrymandered district in San Francisco challenged the Leader of the Free World.

    He left her on the bus.

    He physically grounded her.

    His message was simply, "Due to the shutdown, I am sorry to inform you that your trip Brussels, Egypt and Afghanistan has been postponed. We will reschedule this seven-day excursion when the Shutdown is over. In light of the 800,000 great American workers not receiving pay, I am sure you would agree that postponing this public relations event is totally appropriate. I also feel that, during this period, it would be better if you were in Washington negotiating with me and joining the Strong Border Security movement to end the Shutdown. Obviously, if you would like to make your journey by flying commercial that would certainly be you prerogative.

    "I look forward to seeing you soon and even more forward to watching our open and dangerous Southern Border finally receive the attention, funding, and security it so desperately deserves!"

    The master just served her.

    She tried to stop him from meeting a constitutional obligation.

    He stopped a "public relations event."

    https://donsurber.blogspot.com/2019/01/trump-to-nancy-youre-grounded.html#more
     
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    Have they built walls in Europe or haven't they? I say they have.
     
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    Fred C Dobbs Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Yes, especially when dealing with a country that's has 242 years of sovereignty.
     
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    Econ 101. You pay for your groceries with money from your employer. We pay for the wall with tax revenues from income from the increased exports to Mexico. Trump stated that Mexico will pay one way or another. See how that works. Probably not due to TDS but possibly there are some intellectually honest D’s out there.
     
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    That is not "Econ 101". Nothing you have said demonstrates that Mexico is paying for the wall.
    The trade deal that you are relying on hasn't even been approved by the Senate, so it can't be having any effect.
    Exports to Mexico might have increased a bit over the last year, but not enormously. And imports have also increased, so the balance of trade has actually dropped.
    How, EXACTLY, do exports to Mexico result in tax revenues from Mexico?

    You string together a lot of vague ideas but they don't actually support what you claim.
     
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    It's high time the nation addressed MAGA on the security crisis his shutdown is causing.
     
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    Trump doesn't care.

    He is willing bring down the entire Republic if he doesn't get his way.

    He doesn't care who it hurts.

    And the 25% of America (his hard-core base, a group exponentially overrepresented at PF) who will support him no matter what, will have his back.

    The other 250 Million Americans (who don't support Trump) are living through a cruel prison sentence.
     
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    Actually yes, they are.

    Did you ever rent a house to someone that you still owed money on?

    If you want to make a profit on it, you have the renter pays the mortgage to you, and you send the payment to the mortgage company. IOW - the renter pays the mortgage, but you write the check.

    I get that Democrats can't admit that Mexico is paying for the wall, because if they did they'd have to admit Trump was right... And they have a religious objection to admitting that.
     
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    Wow...That's dramatic.

    Tell us about the cruel prison torture that Trump puts you through....

    Did the Trump Prison give you the computer to use, or did a guard sneak it in to you? What did you have to do to pay the guard? Was it as bad as they say?
     
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    Condolences.
     
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    Poor analogy. But if it is to be an analogy, there must be a part where Mexico sends money to the American treasury. Where / when / how is that happening?
     
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    Sure they are. Mexico will pay for the wall one way or another and is doing so by trade concessions resulting in increased US economic growth and tax revenues which pay for the wall. If you can't understand that nobody can help you.

    BTW the balance of trade has nothing to do with this. It's economic growth and resultant tax revenues that pay for the wall which actually reduces spending on illegal aliens as well.
     
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    There are a few problems with your argument.

    First, you are changing your argument. In a previous post you said they would pay through "increased exports to Mexico". That isn't happening so now you are changing your argument to "economic growth". You even rejected your own (original) argument bay saying that "balance of trade has nothing to do with this".

    NAFTA 2 isn't in force yet, so it can't be having any effect.

    Trump's campaign prediction was that he was going to achieve growth of 4%. In order for concessions to add more growth the the economy, it would have to be more than 4%. It isn't. It is below.

    Even if Mexico did make trade concessions, and the economy grew more because of them, that does not mean Mexico is paying anything. It means that the American economy is stronger, and Americans are paying more taxes. That money isn't coming from Mexico. And Mexico could also have extracted concessions from America, so both economies could grow. That would be a good thing, but it wouldn't result in Mexico paying for the wall.

    You are making stuff up, or trying to parrot talking points that you might have heard but don't fully understand. You are the kind of low-information voter that Trump loves, because he says a few things that sound good together and you eat it up, without understanding that there is no substance to what he says.
     
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    I said trade concessions. And those are happening and will continue to happen resulting in increased economic growth which generate increased tax revenues which will pay for the wall.

    Your attempts at insults are amusing. Keep the comedy coming.
     
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    Even if your argument is right about "trade concessions" (you haven't identified any) and "economic growth" (you haven't demonstrated any growth attributable to "trade concessions") the fact still remains:
    that would be Americans paying for the wall, not Mexico.

    Think about it. If there is economic growth and higher tax revenues due to trade concessions, that money would is NOT coming from Mexico and could be used for other things, if it wasn't used for the wall.

    Mexico is NOT paying for the wall. But keep trying to argue that black is white or up is down.
     
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    Does your employer pay for your groceries ??
     
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    Does Mexico remit money to the US Treasury?

    Trump's campaign website said he would get Mexico to make a one-time payment of 10 billion. I haven't seen that yet. Have you?
     
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    They import and will do more due to the new trade agreement resulting in increased US economic growth resulting in increased tax revenues resulting in funding the wall.

    Only a fool would seriously think that Mexico would write a $10B check.
     
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