Florida Approves Bill Allowing Classroom Teachers To Be Armed

Funny how they argue straw, and not the fact at hand.

 

What makes you think with more than 10,000 school districts that it won't become at least a de facto condition of employment?

 

The simple fact that the united states is filled with individuals who demonstrate the same pattern of behavior and composure as is being demonstrated on the part of yourself presently.

There are simply too many individuals in the united states for such an approach to ever be given serious consideration, as the public is too easily offended and frightened by minute and irrelevant details that do not affect anyone. Case in point, some celebrity makes an comment on twitter years ago, and years after the fact the public is demanding that celebrity be punished severely for daring to hold such a view or even voice such. Even when a public apology is issued, the offended still demand the offender lose all future employment and threaten to boycott the employers until the offender is gone.

Entire careers have been ruined in the name of appeasing the easily offended who simply cannot come to grasps with the fact that not everyone is overly sensitive to the suffering of everyone else and their ancestors from centuries past.

 

Meaning what? I don't want teachers carrying for all sorts of reasons.

The public are frightened by minute and irrelevant details? Is that most of the public? What are they fearing?

Too cryptic. No details.

What? Teachers' careers?

 

Then let us explain this matter another way in which it will be easily understood.

The reason the above hypothetical presented on the part of yourself will simply not come to pass, that being educators being required to be armed as a condition of employment, is because the society of the united states is full of individuals for are offended by, and object to, being reminded of the fact that the world is a dangerous, uncaring place that is filled with other individuals who will kill them without reason or remorse. They do not wish to acknowledge that there are no safeguards to protect either them, or their children, from the possibility of harm. Instead they wish to maintain ignorance and the illusion that everything is fine, and that there is simply no reason to consider alternative possibilities for protection.

These individuals are nothing more than the living embodiment of the ignorance is bliss notion.

 

So, you don't know why teachers object to arming teachers. No surprise there.

Teachers don't want to become the school police, and this is exactly what will happen if teachers are armed. There is little threat of mass shootings in our more than 120,000 schools, but there is a lot of crime, from physical assaults to property crime and drug dealing, especially in inner city schools. Teachers fear with good cause they will become the replacement for security staff.

There are more than 200,000 physical assaults on teachers every year. Do you really think teachers are unaware of the lack of protection in our schools?

You don't appear to have much idea of what's really going on in our schools.

 

For the simple reason that they, like many others, are raised from an early age and indoctrinated to believe that private individuals simply cannot be trusted, and that it is government that must be trusted instead, for the simple reason that only government can be trusted.

Why does such a standard not apply to private individuals who already possess concealed carry permits? Why are these private individuals not expected to engage in law enforcement matters?

The educators of today are unaware of a great many things.

If it is believed that educators are not already carrying concealed firearms for their own protection, despite it being illegal to do such, then it is yourself who does not really know what is going on in schools in the united states.

 

Because you don't even understand the word carrying.

If one is carrying there would be no need to ask someone to wait a minute while a gun is retrieved because the gun is on the person licensed to carry it.

Try to read and under the statute before making any more foolish comments about something you clearly do not understand.

 

Totally false, teachers are not required to carry, nor are they expected to replace existing security, which in Florida is required by law and the new statute has no language within it allowing for a reduction of the mandatory school security.

Furthermore the new law allows all school employees, not just teachers to apply for the inclusion into the program.

 

A qualified person under the statute is required to be in possession of their gun at all times and what would going to a restroom have to do with anything?

 

They shouldn't that's why many of them lobbied for this statute to be passed, school employees only want to be able to defend themselves and their students.

Two teachers from Parkland testified they had a good chance of stopping Cruz early in the shooting, if they had been allowed to be armed.

Furthermore having people in schools who are not uniformed greatly increases their chance of being able to stop a shooter.

 

Then you lack the self control to be armed.

 

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Like at Parkland where Deputy Scot Peterson abandoned the building where the shooter was and fled to a safe place, while students and staff where being massacred.

 

That's two and a half weeks more than what sworn Deputies are trained in when it comes to responding to an active shooter in a school.

Maybe get a clue before making foolish comparisons.

 

Totally false.

In Florida that is required by law, however a uniform is also a shoot first target for an active shooter, whereas a person carrying concealed has the apparent lack of being armed to use to their advantage.

 

Incarceration.

 

Just my opinion. I think teachers are generally very good people with great intent to help others. If you don't think so, that's your right. In terms of carrying or not, and responsibility for kids, I wouldn't hold teachers/admins who refuse to carry responsible, nor would I hold the ones carrying responsible, for the results of an attack and not responding bravely. I do think that teachers are more responsible and I would feel safer with my kids in a school with armed teachers than with armed security guards. In terms of your paranoia about teachers/principals being made targets, why doesn't that also apply to armed security guards?



The other thing is that my basic feeling is that it's a silly point. Students in schools are safer in terms of violence and even physical accidents, than they are in any other place in their lives. Much safer than in their homes or neighborhoods. There is really no need for armed teachers or for armed security guards. I do approve of SROs (school resource officers), but part of that is the whole idea of community policing, not so much for protection. The SROs are a way for kids to see policemen in a different light.

 

It's almost twice as much training as armed security guards are require to have in FL. In FL, an armed security guard has to take a 40 hour Class D security training course, followed by a 28 hour Class G security training course, which totals 68 hours.

 

CPR and First Aid training isn't required for employment as a teacher. Those take about 12 hours to do combined (and would help schools a lot more than arming teachers). FL is going to be 5-10,000 teachers short at the beginning of the school year. Adding almost 4 weeks of training will make it impossible as a requirement.

 

Indeed.
A student is far more likely to die in playing football than in a school shooting.

 

You can go from zero to a police officer (armed 'protector' of all the people) in 28 weeks.

 

School districts lack the authority to require such, the requirements to be a teacher are statutory which can only be modified by the various state legislatures.

Legislatures that would be lobbied by the various teachers Unions resulting in such a bill to be dead on arrival, it would make it out of committee nor less to a floor vote..

 

And firearms qualification is even simpler than that.

 

And based on your blanket statements you don't know what many teachers have been asking for or why the Florida Legislature gave them what they requested.

 

I agree that allowing teachers to be armed with a firearm is 100% dangerous, and if the people of Florida where not scared out of their minds, or worse, the bill would have been a memory in the garbage heep of history, but them again, what do any of us expect in 2019?