Fixing the gender pay gap...

Discussion in 'Women's Rights' started by Yant0s, Jul 21, 2019.

  1. ryobi

    ryobi Well-Known Member

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    You mean like these studies:

    CONSAD Research Corporation 2009. “An Analysis of Reasons for the Disparity in Wages Between Men and Women” Prepared for The United States Department of Labor Employment Standards Administration Accessed August 23, 2015. http://www.consad.com/content/report…l Report.pdf

    Andresse St. Rose 2010. “STEM major choice and the gender pay gap” On Campus with Women
    http://archive.aacu.org/ocww/volume3….cfm?section=1

    Dey, J. G., and C. Hill. 2007. Behind the pay gap. Washington, DC: AAUW Educational Foundation
    National Association of Colleges and Employers. 2009. Salary survey

    Stephen J. Cecil and Wendy M. Williams, “National Hiring Experiments Reveal 2:1 Faculty Preference For Women on STEM Tenure Track,” Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences, http://www.news.cornell.edu/stories/…ulty-positions
     
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    Which is nonsense. The price of labor in those fields is less than higher paying, more dangerous fields.

    None of this is a gender pay gap. It’s a wage gap due to career choice.
     
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    It’s just reality. There is no gender pay gap. It’s illegal. There is a wage gap due to chosen career. That has nothing to do with gender discrimination.
     
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    yes it is. Women, on average, are discriminating the higher paying jobs. :)
     
  5. ryobi

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    Feminists blame men, white men, for the consequences of women's bad choices.

    Feminists are working to absolve women of all accountability for everything.

    The 'wage gap,' is one example.

    If you want to make more money, make better choices and work harder.
     
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    Stay at home dads, homemakers, do indeed get the same support. What do Women get that men don’t? If a Father is the primary caregiver he will definitely get the children if there is a divorce
     
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    When the workplace death rate is 50/50, then I'll listen. Until then, who cares.
     
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    That is the most ridiculous argument. I guess the when the workplace death rate is 5050 among different groups of men you will listen. How many educated men go into jobs that have a high death rate? . So I guess you won’t listen until then! Men choose those jobs, women and educated men don’t
     
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    Help help I'm being repressed.

    Oh and you're wrong to boot. Military men are extremely educated, and they choose the most dangerous jobs of all.

    We're just not coat tail clingers.
     
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    And so do many military women!, I’m not talking about the military. And remember it was the military who made the rules that women couldn’t serve and women couldn’t fly etc.
     
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    The vast majority of women can't make it in the military. There are exceptions.

    The majority of men can't make it either, but the gap is even larger with women.

    Regardless, women not doing dangerous jobs is not a function of intelligence, as aircraft work, electronics, and a number of highly skilled jobs are dangerous.

    You're just throwing out excuses.
     
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    I’m not throwing out excuses. Women don’t want to do those jobs and most men I know don’t want to do those jobs. Are you blaming women for not wanting to do dangerous work?
     
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    Who should he blame for such choices?
     
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    But women not choosing those high paid "dangerous" jobs and choosing less paid "safer" do you not think that's part of the reason women make less on average?
     
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    There is generally more compensation for the danger in dangerous jobs and 90% of workplace deaths are that of men
     
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    it's one factor

    Another factor is that men just tend to work harder than women.
     
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    I have the builders over. They have labourors digging deep foundations, In the wet covered in mud all day going back breaking and dangerous work. They are paid extremely well for this, more than you would expect.

    Guess how many labours are female..... zero. I guess all there female equivalents are probably doing a "safe" and comfortable job earning minimum wage.

    This doesn't factor in why there is a wage difference on average?
     
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    They actually don't... look it up it's really not true.
     
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    It wasn't a factor in the CONSAD study for the united states department of labor but the CONSAD study found that all but 5% of the 22% wage gap is the result of choice.

    Danger could explain some of the 5%. Obviously men tend to choose more dangerous jobs if nine times more men are dying on the job than women.
     
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    Tesla dug ditches for two years
     
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    So then men and women aren't equal.

    Thanks.
     
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    And yet the men DO do those jobs, and they make more money because of it.

    Who else would I blame? The only thing stopping women from working dangerous, physically-demanding jobs is women choosing not to work those jobs. How would that be anyone's fault other than the women who are making the choices?
     
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    This makes no sense. You're making comparisons that have nothing to do with your argument.
     
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    You really are full of contempt for the "working class" and I find it rather disgustig. You are constantly bad-mouthing men and women with "unqualified" jobs calling the either unintelligent or victims. A man working as a miner is "unsmart" and a woman being a "stay-at-home-mom" is "bored and oppressed".

    Disrespectful, ungrateful and pretentious is what it is.

    And smartness does not decide one's salary. What is "smartness" anyways? Coal miners are smarter at the art of coal mining than are teachers and teachers are smarter at teaching (or at least they should be, but the way education now looks, I am not sure).
     
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    A miner would do a better job at teaching a class for a day than a teacher grafting in the mines for a day....
     
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