Trump Allies Target Journalists Over Coverage Deemed Hostile to White House

You have some openly antisemitic fellow travelers you would do well to denounce.

 

The Constitution provides for its own amendment, since the Founders were not stupid enough to think that time had stopped with them. Just looking back a century and a half they could see that the English motherland had undergone radical changes in its government, and for the better.

So if these Lefties want to propose amendments to the Constitution, we should be prepared to entertain the idea, study these amendments carefully, and then decide whether to support them on their merits, or otherwise.

And we should propose one of our own. I call it the Hawaiian Amendment: there is a small, but persistent, movement among native Hawaiians for independence. Should they at some point in the future achieve a large and persistent majority for this change ... say, 2/3 of the population, retaining this view for at least one year -- then democratic principle demands that we let them go, and not hold them by force. We should propose, and then try to pass, this amendment, namely, that any state which wants to become independent, should, after a suitable voting process -- which could be two votes in succession with six months or a year between them, achieving at least 2/3 of those voting, voting in favor -- be allowed to leave.

The Hawaiian Amendment could be part of an amendement which moved towards making sure that the President would always achieve a plurality of the popular vote. Make the Hawaiian Amendment a condition of our support for the Electoral College (abolition) Amendment.

 

I promise you, if we had a vote among conservatives, on whether or not to make the KKK, neo-Nazis, White Nationalists, vanish in puffs of greasy smoke, the vote would be 99% in favor, the Constitution and due process be damned.

They are a millstone around our necks, and the Left's best recruiting agency. (If I were prone to conspiracy theories I would speculate that George Soros has hired a thousand unemployed actors to dress up in sheets and Nazi uniforms taken out of Central Castings Costume Wardrobe, and get out in front of the cameras and shout 'We Love Trump' 'We are typical Republicans'., etc. But, it's just a question of old-fashioned supply-and-demand.)

If they commanded a large voting bloc, like the AfD in Germany does, that might be different. We'd be in the same dilemma the German conservatives in the CDU are in ... and they're moving towards considering a coalition with the AfD (which is not nearly as bad as the KKK/Nazis in the US, but whose leadership is probably to some extent wearing protective coloration since we know some of them were not so careful about what they said, in the past).

But these people in that photo probably don't even vote, if you look at them. (A lot of us are a bit snobbish, and big fat ugly women -- is that a woman with them or a very fat man? -- and tatooed shirtless men -- are not really our cup of tea.)

And as for anti-Semites ... it's a delicious irony that in the US today, the more evangelical and fundamentalist you are, the more Zionist you are. The real deep pools of anti-Semitism are to be found among the Black community, which is twice or three times as likely to be anti-Semitic as whites are, if the polls are to be trusted. Not to mention our Muslim friends, who know how to say what their liberal buddies want to hear in distinguishing between 'Good Jews' and 'Bad Jews', at least when talking to liberals. Except for Louis Farrakhan, who says the most astonishing things about Jews. (That's why the MSM had to hide that photo of him schmoozing with Barak Obama before the election.)

 

Trump is scapegoating Latinos, blacks, and immigrants, legal and illegal.

An absurd claim. Marxism-Leninism is dead. You're either BSing (my bet) and/or talking about what you know not.

Liberals--"the left" in your version of reality--are not "a danger to peace and democracy." Hoe about setting out your position without the smear tactics?

 

do you have a wall between your room and your kids room?
Lock perhaps on your front door?
how about exterior walls to your home?

walls? people who are safe have walls

 

Why are individual states your focus? Many states were created from U.S. territory and were never sovereign. What about the citizenship and property rights of those in states voting to secede? What about the national interest? Where would we be if, say, California, Oregon, and Washington all voted to leave and we no longer had ports on the West Coast?

I think openly horse trading basic rights is dangerous territory,

 

Of course walls can be scaled

But not so easy or as fast as an open border

It gives our people time to react

 

That picture answers nothing

 

A fellow traveler is not the same as an ally

Trump is more pro Jewish than the closet muslim who preceded him

 

I would only do states because it easy to explain. Better would be something like 'geographical units defined such that their border makes a continuous curve enclosing a territory, where the enclosed areas hold a population which three different surveys have shown to have public opinion which is 60% of more in favor of having such a vote". But you can see the problem.

The people proposing secession would have to, in their own interests, give iron-clad guarantees about rights of citizenship and property etc. to all their residents. If I were advising the Hawaiian independentistas, I would also guarantee no change in local laws for ten years, or 25, including taxes -- in other words a period limited sovereignty for a long time. Very very very important not to menace the locals. It might even be advantageous to hint at lowering taxes, to become a tax haven.
As for geography that cuts up the mother country badly, again concessions: a 'Polish Corridor', or two, or three ... plus, exclude the port cities.

The tricky part would be Social Security Payments, government property, etc. That will keep hundreds of lawyers busy for five years. But they've got to eat too.

And military: why not just continue in a kind of super-NATO. In the case of Hawaii, where Major Gabbard is from, it would be very important for the Hawaiian Independence Movment to offer the US permanent naval and air bases, such as the Cubans cheerfully give to the Americans at Guantanamo (switch irony detectors on); in particular, not even a jokey reference to moving to be under the coming World's New Superpower's wing and adding more signs in Mandarin to the tourist traps.

You probably know the history of Hawaii and how we acquired it-- we didn't really play fair there -- in fact Congress apologized in the early 90s.
In any case, it just seems to me a straightforward question, in principle, of democratic dealings: you don't conquer a nation and absorb it into your own by force, and you don't keep in one that wishing to go its own way. A nation which has been allowed to leave peacefully will be a much better ally than one held down by sheer force.

Oh yes, it's not horse-trading: that would be something like I give up this right in return for getting that one, or you give up this right and I will give up a similar one.

This is extending rights. You want the right to elect the president by simple popular majority vote, some people want the right to go their own way by a simple super-popular majority vote, so let's have both.

 

Why no straightforward denunciation? Are you sure you'd get 99%? I'd say the same thing about Antifa to liberals.

I don't think they're as helpful to liberals as they might hope. Rather than resolve their internal differences and come up with coherent program, they find it easier to attack conservatives.

Yeah, but then you would come across as a dupe, having a screw loose, or dishonest.

Maybe. I don't think it would take much to return fundamentalists to their antisemitic roots.

Berman Jewish Databank reports on the 2013 ADL survey of Americans' attitudes towards Jews:

Specific questions and answers from the ADL Press Release summary include: (a) fourteen percent (14%) agreed with the statement that “Jews have too much power in the U.S. today,” 30% of Americans continue to say that American Jews are “more loyal to Israel” than to their own country, 19% of Americans believe Jews have too much power in the business world, 17% say that Jews have too much control on Wall Street, and a "surprisingly large number" of Americans - 26% - continue to believe that “Jews were responsible for the death of Christ.” ​

Compared to the overall 12% of American adults who are strongly anti-Semitic based on the ADL index of survey responses, Hispanics and African-Americans have higher rates of anti-Semitism, although Hispanic Americans born outside of the U.S. are significantly more likely than Hispanics born in the U.S. to hold anti-Semitic views (36%) compared to 14 percent of U.S.-born Hispanics. Among African-Americans, anti-Semitic views have remained consistently higher than the general population including the 20 percent of 2013 African-American survey respondents who expressed strongly anti-Semitic views (a decrease from 29% in 2011).​

https://www.jewishdatabank.org/databank/search-results/study/717​

I submit that racism, sexism, and other forms of bigotry go less challenged in the black community because nonblacks are fearful blacks may countercharge racism to blunt the attack. As well, and this may be more important, proponents of issues unrelated to concerns about racism blacks face have a more difficult time organizing in the black community.

The idea antisemites have a lot of traction on the left is wrongheaded.

 

Yes I do. For the weather.

You really think that sheetrock and glass are keeping you safe??

LOL

 

It's the idea of a moron that doesnt understand modern technologies

 

What do you mean by a 'denunciation' of the white supremacists? By whom? I happen to think that conservatives need to do more than 'denounce' -- we need to mount an attack into enemy territory, to see if we can win away some of the young men who are attracted to them, using the Patriotic Ploy. In fact, I registered with Stormfront a few days ago, to do a reconnaisance. There is also the 'alt-right', who are more ambivalent about these issues, and much more numerous than the out-right anti-Semites of Stormfront and allied groups. They're not going to respond to goody-goody isn't-diverity-lovely appeals, but they might respond to a robust positive assertion of aggressive American patriotism which emphasizes the great strength we get by taking in the smartest people from other countries, for example. However, at this point I don't know much about their psychology so it's just speculation. (One point: what they say they want is an ethno-state, a white Christian nation. Now it's too bad that we couldn't somehow buy an island in the Carribbean and let them have it. Maybe that's what Mr Trump had in mind with Greenland.)

I don't think the Left, properly defined, is anti-Semitic at all. Even the hardest BDS person who thinks the Jews should return to Poland or wherever, is not, thereby, an anti-Semite by any proper definition. But I believe the Left is tempted to cater to potential allies among the Muslim population, where there is indeed a lot of popular anti-Semitism. An example that I am familiar with: the leader of the British Labour Party, possibly the next Prime Minister, talked about 'our friends', Hamas and Hezbollah, and also speculated that Islamist activity in the Sinai was actually the 'hand of Israel'. I don't think he's personally an anti-Semite in the sense I think that term ought to be used, but if he were, that's the kind of thing he'd say.

By the way, I used that data on Black anti-Semitism myself in a post a couple of weeks ago, and said I was suspicious of a drop from 29 to 20 percent in two years -- I think such polls should always be taken with a generous helping of salt.

 

I believe that two layers of 5/8 fire resistant sheet rock 2x6s 5/8 OSB sheeting and stock keep me safer than nothing and believing so doesn't make me paranoid, it makes me normal.

 

Then your living in denial. Have a lock on a door that prevents someone coming in the window how??? Use your limited mental capacity here, don't rely on your irrational fear of the scary world

 

then go live on the street and prove your point.

 

Liberals tend to reject my views, so I think you're barking up the wrong tree.

I think you're wrong about the motivating force behind people organizing on single issues, unions, and saving mankind or the planet. I say this as someone who developed strategies for fighting single-issue campaigns. Who was with us when we developed and executed a strategy for the teachers' union to oust an extreme rightwing school board in a conservative community (we have Baptist university) and replace them with a conservative school board? A broad community coalition who could for the sake of the 20+K students could get behind a result that is in keeping with character of the community.

I was too busy making money in the stock market to be a "professional revolutionist."

Communists get no further than the single issue they use as an organizing tool except in times of extreme upheaval.

Sure, we had Marxists floating around with their Red Books and insane propaganda to the effect that a nuclear war is survivable, old CPUSA types taking their cue from the Soviets, and a nice supply of wooly radicals, but the anti-war sentiment was never about them.

I do because making nice to Marxists does more harm than good. We got rid of the Marxists by denouncing NLF brutality. (Not bad for a bunch of naïve college kids, eh? )

Those alleged skills are highly overrated. Everyday folks get good at that stuff quickly enough. The hard thing to learn is who and how to organize.

We controlled our meetings. When we called for people to get involved, we made sure the ideologues couldn't grab control.

We made it our business to know who our friends were, so that stuff never worked. The idiots would hang around with each other before the meeting.

Conservatives who go that route eventually find fascist pals.

Only fanatics do that and they tend not to get on with folks.

 

Do you even understand the concept of evidence?

 

yup... I do.. do you understand the concept of federal law??

sanctuary cities should have all federal funds stripped away from them.

 

Of course, there are similarities. What I said is that 1960s antiwar protestors didn't care about what happened in the past.

You're going to tell me what I think?

 

Your opinion expressed above is extremely poor evidence. Care to present real evidence?

An absurd, irrelevant question.

On what basis? They haven't violated the law.

 

Denounced by conservatives. The most important conservative, Trump, should be leading the charge.

Muslims aren't popular in this country. I don't see a viable vote-getting strategy based on the cynical calculation you suggest.

Corbyn wouldn't be an important Democrat in the U.S.

 

No they are however obstructing justice.

Yes, not deporting in them is unjust!

 

Trump is pro-Trump. He only cares about himself. Is he a supporter of Israel? Sure, but only as long ad it benefits Trump.