Woman punches man in Broadway bar over MAGA-style birthday hat

You funny

 

It could be the only deterrent.

 

I'm still laughing for realz LOL

 

Okay, but in this particular situation, there are only two people, and my definition of blame takes into account both of their actions.

Why are you allowing on of them freedom without responsibility, but not the other?

 

The guy didn't do anything other than wear a red hat. Not even a Trump hat. It was a birthday hat. Why should he take any responsibility for being assaulted?

Take your time!

 

And if you think that freedom trumps all else, including compassion and consideration of others, than you are the problem, IMO.

See you at the voting booth.

 

It was my understanding it was a trump hat.

If it was not, then my opinion of him improves considerably. And in that case, you are right he doesn't deserve blame.

But it doesn't change my belief that you should be considerate of other people's feelings on public, and not doing anything to draw attention to yourself.

Tell me, what EXACTLY do you want from me?

 

There is a difference between a plain red hat and a Trump hat, and I apologize about my misunderstanding about the situation.

Care should still be taken in public to be considerate of others feelings and to not draw undue attention to yourself.

Thank you for your time.

 

...and drop them off at an antifa rally.

 

It was a 50th birthday hat his wife gave him but being red with white writing I guess it resembles a Trump hat which obviously triggers the insane.

I don't want anything from you but to not be a hypocrite. You say you were bullied then turn around and try to bully people into not wearing a red hat just in case it hurts some lunatic's feelings.

What next? No clothes at all? Everyone wear the same colour? We all wear a uniform? Everyone stays indoors in case a passerby doesn't like our clothing? Can't you appreciate how ridiculous this line of thinking is?

 

I like your thinking!

 

How long have you been in this thread without knowing the basic facts of what happened?

Did you read the OP?

 

You just said compassion Trumps freedom, by defending an attack on a man wearing a red cap.

 

SOLUTION:

Assault motivated by politics should qualify for
HATE CRIME status.​

Ta - Da
Easy Peasy

 

I tend to agree. I don't agree with 'hate crime' status period but the left insist on it and these violent outbursts are based on irrational hate and nothing else.

 

People need to get over themselves! Rather he wore a Trump hat OR the appearance of a Trump hat shouldn't even matter. Do you feel the same way if it had been an anti-Trump hat or a Bernie hat? If a man/woman was minding his/her own business wearing a Bernie hat or some kind of left wing political attire, and someone punched him/her in the face would you present the same argument?

What about sports fans, should guys that I know who wear their sports jerseys, hats, etc stop because it may provoke a feeling of animosity in someone who opposes their team and they could then receive a "justifiable" punch in the face?

 

You call it ridiculous, but I think that not treating people with kindness and understanding is equally ridiculous.

And No, I don't bully other people. But I also understand what it is like to be bullied, so sorry if I have a little sympathy for the person being bullied, regardless of their actions.

Everyone is a bit hypocritical in some way or another. I don't consider it a dirty word. Sorry if you don't agree with me.

 

Yes, actually, I would feel pretty wary about wearing a democrat supporting clothes item in public, especially in a republican heavy area. I would also be wary of wearing sports clothing of a rival sport group in an area where there are a lot of people that may take offense to that.

What part of 'Don't draw attention to yourself in public' don't you understand?

Or if you don't care, then just say so. We are on an anonymous internet message board. Why are so many people afraid to just say what they mean, and mean what they say? Why the evasion, the misdirects, the characters?

 

And from what I am gathering from your words, you seem to imply that compassion doesn't matter in regards to freedom.

Do you believe that anything that is not directly illegal should not be questioned, ridiculed, or otherwise attacked in a moral sense?

It's a yes or no question by the way, and as we are on an anonymous internet message board, I would appreciate it if you were just straight with me and answer the question. No misdirects, no evasion.

BTW, what you see is what you get with me. I don't have any agenda on trying to change people's opinions. I am just supplying my own.

 

Oh I understand it perfectly, and I also understand it's a ridiculous argument to justify a violent act. He was minding his own business, what part of that don't you understand?

Should we envoke a national dress code law then? Certain things draw attention, jewelry, flashy clothing, ugly clothing...that could draw attention too...

 

You can do whatever you want, I don't care.

I won't risk my safety, or those of my family, by going out wearing politically identifying clothes and similar.

Do you only care about his situation alone? Because I have already admitted that I didn't understand the exact situation completely. I've been talking about the situation of a person going out wearing something that makes a statement that draws attention to themselves, both wanted and unwanted.

And if that person get's attacked, it doesn't mean they are at complete fault because of it. But, in my perception, I believe that person did a stupid, reckless thing, and I don't have a ton of sympathy for them. Sorry.

And I will plan on things getting worse, not better. Because people refuse to consider how their actions will affect others, or they simply don't care, and thus emotions will continue to get inflamed, and things will continue to escalate.

So no complaints about people not showing you respect or consideration when you won't show it to them, okay? That's also hypocrisy for you.

 

Left be like, "it's his fault for wearing a Trump hat". Justifying violence. Is America still a free country?

 

Freedom of speech we have, but freedom from the consequences of that speech is a bit trickier

After all, if we have consequence free speech, there is nothing to stop me from going up to a person constantly, every time they are in public, publicly ridiculing them, berating them, teasing them, as long as I don't physically touch them (obviously I wouldn't do this myself, I am making a point).

Or do you think there aren't ways to hurt someone without it being physical?

 

Indeed, Right has many faults. But Totalitarian Left shows that it is a far worse then the Right.

 

USSR in 1970s and 1980s was more Free then USA now. But then I left at age 13.