STUNNING! IHME Reduces Their Model Predictions AGAIN! -- Now Say Peak Is ON EASTER and Only 60,000 D

The number of people killed in the 9/11 attack was 2,977 persons. Today 32,917 persons have died from Trump's greed and incompetence.

Today's death toll from the Covid-Trump-19 virus is more than equivalent to the 9/11 terrorists attacks 11X times over.

Yesterday, it was 10X times a 9/11. The Trump-Covid death rate increase is now about one 9/11 attack per day.​

11 X = Trump's total virus death toll today.​

 

Whether someone who has lived through it won't get it a second time is unknown.

There have been cases of people living through COVID19 and then getting it again even though there was no contact with an infected individual.

Let's listen to medicine on this.

I absolutely DO agree that we need far more testing capacity - both for antibodies and for current infection. The capacity we have today is actually decreasing, even though medicine, business executives, and others say large amounts of testing and contact tracing are required for opening our economy.

 

I love when lefties go all lefty, this is great you need to sell this knowledge. lol

 

Trump made the same mistakes. He was late and haphazzard about travel. He had NO travel regulation within the US. When he finally proposed restrictions on European travel he omitted the UK - for reasons that could not possibly have a medical justification.

He held briefings to make it clear that masks were unneeded while at the same time the executive branch was hustling to procure masks for those in the White House and other branches of the administration, including lower level staff.

As for the present, medical, business and state government officials all say that we need massive testing to allow us to go back to work. Yet, Trump is stating the need to open at the same time that our ability to test for COVID19 is actually decreasing.

Accusing WHO is no more than an attempt to shift blame. And, if we need WHO to get better, it certainly isn't by cutting their budget and blaming it on European influence. Where was OUR influence??

 

So let's get this right, if WHO lied about this to protect China you don't assign some blame?

What we know now:
It was immediately known it could spread human to human.
China shut down all domestic travel to and from Wuhan yet allowed international and didn't tell the international community.
WHO received a memo that China indeed thought it could transferred from Human to Human, the WHO board was split on to alert the international community so the Exec. Director decided not to alert in Early Jan.. (Thanks American Intelligence services)

Yet you post what you think Trump is to blame and not China/WHO. I suggest you have some partisanship issue because no-one in there right mind could possibly not blame China and WHO has some explaining to do.

 

Why stop there, just blame Trump for all the world's covid19 deaths, no reason to limit the blame to this country alone. This has to be one of the most ridiculous post I've seen on PF and I've been here a long time.

 

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I don't accept you hypotheticals.

I don't accept your timeline without a cite, and I would point out that WE didn't shut down travel immediately either.

In fact, through March there is evidence that 40,000 people made the trip from China to the US - much of it involvig trade. And, we didn't close travel to Europe until very late. And, we have no restrictions on US travel even now.

Have you seen the phone tracking data for travel from Florida beaches during party time?

Like China, Trump isn't to blame for actions he took before knowing about the virus.

After that, his actions have been wrong headed, uninformed by science and monumentally late.

And, that goes for today - not just March or February or January.

Today, he wants to open our economy - which those from business and science states that large amounts of testing must be supplied for that. Yet, our testing capacity is DECREASING.

We have reports that between 10% and 20% of COVID deaths are coming from the medical community that is risking their lives to save patients, yet we STILL don't have them supplied with adequate PPE. We even have FEEMA stealing their mask orders!!! China and WHO have NOT responsibility for how TRUMP is treating those risking their lives on the front lines. We have retired doctors coming back to work when they are in the high risk group.

==> Screw what China or WHO may or may not have done months ago - we have a MAJOR problem here in the USA TODAY. And, our federal government is NOT addressing it in any adequate manner.

But, by golly when checks go out to people short on food, they will have Trump's name on them!!

 

Yawn, where are your citing's, yet you demand them from me. I don't care if you don't like what the new findings are showing even CNN is reporting them for the love of god.https://www.cnn.com/2020/04/16/asia/china-wuhan-coronavirus-ap-intl-hnk/?hpt=ob_blogfooterold
https://www.cnn.com/2020/04/15/politics/us-intelligence-virus-started-chinese-lab/index.html

I can't keep up are we suppose to listen to the Scientist or not. They came up with today's reopening protocols? Go look up the suicide rate for the unemployed, much less the alcoholism, domestic abuse etc. This is not a one size fits all problem. If you save 50,000 people but 75,000 commit suicide, which one do you go with? If you keep it shut down but cause a depression that kills 100,000 what do you do?

I'm sorry we let American's back in from China (the hot spot), if you listened to the briefings you would have known that they came back and went to quarantine. Nothing is perfect but it's rather obvious the DR's have lead the way on this one and Trump has used is influence to get businesses to help, the My Pillow guy is making masks, GM and Ford are making ventilators, it's quiet an achievement.

You say screw what China and WHO did but they are the source of the breakout, they're silence have insured it's global spread and your worried about beaches. Sorry going to be a hard sale for you.

 

How is Trump supposed to solve all of these problems? Let's say the federal government buys all of the PPE and then hands them equally to the States(there's a lot of presumptions here, the biggest presumption being that the governor-dictators and the media would actually applaud said move and not immediately jump to accusing Trump of hording.)

Is there even enough PPE on the market? No matter who buys/sells, so long as it gets to the hospitals and places of need, that's all good and well. So either it's not getting there, or there's not enough.(And it seems to be a blend of both.)

These logistical issues, aren't really the President's fault and he has stated he is loathe to nationalize production at this time.

Meanwhile, we have 1/3rd of the work force(or more) at home, creating a natural RAW shortage issue(even hospitals are laying off workers) and we're surprised that we're not at capacity? Are you kidding me?

Incompetence is the word of the day, and it applies more to the Dictatorial-governors., They don't know what they're doing and they don't know why their actions have a negative or at best a neutral effect.

 

Similar to 'culling the herd'. Just get rid of all those old people, you know.... those people that fought in wars to keep democracy alive. Those same people who raised children who brought you into the world. They're old and useless now and a drain on our medical system and society, right? Then lets do it! Let's cull the crap out of all those useless humans.

 

It's literally so dumb it's entertaining. He forgot to include those who died of cancer today in the Trump total.

 

A lot of people want to to open the economy, including Democratic governors. What if we don't get a vaccine, you want to stay closed until there are zero cases? Or maybe just til 11/03.

 

The president has the Defense Product Act. He could have requested for volunteer companies as well (like Boris Johnson did). He took neither of these actions.

HE started taking PPEs off the market for federal officials and their staffs while he was telling the public it didnt matter!!

And, he's in close contact with FEMA (obviously) and they have been interdicting shipments of PPE that hospitals have ordered without even telling the hospitals that their orders had be taken, so they can try again!!

Yes, hospitals are running out of money. I don't get your point. Are you pointing out that the $2 trillion of our tax dollars aren't including hospitals in their bailouts??

There is a mountain of evidence on Trump.

You give NO evidence concerning governors.

My gov in WA has done a remarkable job of leadership, and our data shows his success. We got hit hard very early. Yet, we're showing great success.

CA has been a near miracle, as the most populous state and with huge metro areas CA has been highly successful.

 

OK, so you haven't read what various medical science groups are saying about opening our country.

Hint: It doesn't involve waiting for a vaccine.

 

And no social distancing and sporting event organizations locking down to achieve that same number.

Stunning.
A non typical response, to get a very typical outcome.
Imagine how many more deaths if not for the lock down.

 

The Conspiracy forum is in the basement!

 

They also said in the press conference setbacks were possible. We could see the quarantines again.

 

When China found out about their virus, they banned internal travel from Wuhan to other areas of China. Instead they allowed normal travel for Lunar New Year from Wuhan to the world. In the meantime, in the dark of night, they bought up global inventories of PPE and ventilators. By the time they were done the world was infected and they were the only country that had the tools to fight the virus.

Trump called Xi on January 24 to offer medical assistance, but really to find out what we would be dealing with before it got here. When Xi declined, on January 31, Trump restricted travel to / from China over objections of Democrats and screams that Trump was a racist, a xenophobe. The day before John Bel Edwards allowed Mardi Gras to go forward, attract diseased people from Europe, and infect half the country, Pelosi was in Chinatown on TV advertising her constituents' businesses and telling people how safe it was.

To add insult to injury, feminists and progressives from the US flew back and forth through NYC to Madrid Spain on March 8 to contract the disease while celebrating International Womens' Day.

Covid-19 is a Progressive Disease, created by Socialists and spread by Globalists.

That's a bold faced lie. Testing labs are being replaced by on-site tests. We have a huge back up capacity in the labs, but when we have 5 minute on site testing being done, we likely won't need that capacity. Try to be honest, if that's possible.

 

Are you also a foreign agent for China. Chris Murphy is getting paid $151,000 by Paul Weiss's China based firm. If you aren't collecting a similar sum, you're getting screwed

 

Exactly. And attacking the WHO now serves no purpose..in fact it hurts our ability to respond

They were NOT quarantined

 

Imagine how many more deaths if Biden was POTUS and there were no China travel restrictions.

 

The WHO is a shill for China, why do you defend them? That money will go elsewhere for global health needs, until their is new leadership at the WHO. They enabled China to cover up.

https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/reb...ation-inexcusable-trumps-aid-cutoff-justified

There is a separate question as to why is the US paying such a disproportionate share of WHO expenses to begin with?

 

Wow, what a dirtbag Murphy is.

 

I'm really unclear as to why the UK initially being excluded from the travel ban is a big issue among the left. The UK is not a part of the Schengen area. And why that should worry someone who opposed travel restrictions in the first place is doubly puzzling. Biden only finally came out in support on April 3rd, after criticizing Trump for instituting them.

Now, as far as travel regulation within the US, is that the Democratic position? That we now need internal travel documents to travel inside or outside hot zones? I don't recall hearing that so I don't know if that's a Democratic or CDC position that I'm unaware of or if that's just you?

Fauci and Blix were claiming that normal people didn't need masks. So are you arguing that Trump ordered his task force to put out that line?

And what's the deal (cue Seinfeld ) with our ability to test decreasing? This is the first I've heard about it.