2 shot, 1 dead in Chaz

Again, there are people within that area who have paid taxes and established roots. It is not right for a bunch of unelected people to come into that area and take control.

The solution is for the people who are imposing these conditions on that area to leave. Some or most should be arrested. It is no longer a peaceable protest when the protesters take control of your life.

 

They didn't take over your life - or mine (as I don't live that far away).

And, let's remember that Cal Anderson park is a highly common location for marches to begin, for political speech, etc. Also, it is almost adjacent to the police precinct. Also, it is a location where police and citizens come in contact on a fairly regular basis - as you would know if you live there.

Nobody can possibly suggest it is the wrong location for this protest.

More importantly, I don't know anyone on any side of this who thinks the policing of that area has been satisfactory. It's been a common hot spot for a long, long time.

 

Only if they seal the 'border' and let nothing in or out. Nothing.

 

I never claimed it affected me, but it sure affects those within that area.

It is not common for a bunch of unelected people to take over an area.

It has gone beyond a protest when the protesters negatively affect other people.

Taking over the area is not the legal way to correct it.

We are ultimately a country of laws passed by the appropriate legislature. The protesters have imposed illegal control. They likely could be charged with illegal imprisonment among other charges.

 

That's not a protest. A protest is a bunch of people with signs standing in grassy area trying to get people to listen to them. The moment these people stepped on the rights of others then this became criminal activity.

Here's an example: They blocked traffic, right? We can get tickets for jaywalking. My company needs permits and traffic control plans when we did up a street or we get in trouble. People get cars towed away if they're parked in the same spot too long. The 'protesters' are breaking all kinds of laws under the guise of a protest. The Occupy people did the same thing. And going forward, the next group of anarchists will have learned from this and fine tune it.

 

Wow, where the HELL have YOU been?

Are you referring to before the Vietnam war? Before the civli war? Or what?

 

Yes, the left has been breaking the law and stomping on our rights for a long time.

I'm coming by your house tonight and I'm going to set up a barrier around it to no one can come in unless I approve of it. I'm going to call it a protest. You in?

 

What will happen at CHOP??

The leaders of CHOP have disseminated a jointly written request for all portesting being limited to 8am to 8pm.

They point out that too much of what has gone on at night isn't peacefully focused on the concerns of the protest.

The Seattle mayor says that the police will return to the adjacent precinct without using methods of force during coming nights - seemingly well coordinated with protestors.

Subsequently, barriers will be moved or removed to allow return to normalcy.


I don't know how the anarchist element will respond to that (obviously - they're anarchists!!).

 

Or, we could just meet at Cal Anderson park.

Then, we could see for ourselves!

 

After we put the barrier around your house, you can be assured that we will eventually remove it. We will likewise restrict our protesting from 8am to 8pm.

 

Anybody has been able to walk through and around CHOP from the very beginning.

Look at the vids - it's a widely varied population.

They DID choose to repel a cadre of police who attempted to enter with guns drawn.

 

They are citizens of the State of Washington and of Seattle. They put in a Democrat Mayor and a Democrat Governor and a Democrat majority. Why should President Trump risk bailing them out? The press will only use it to call him a fascist. That is precisely what they want. Seattle is a petri dish. A section of it is used to culture and study a bacteria. The bacteria is Socialism in America. We know it has failed elsewhere but we need to see for ourselves how successful it is in America.

 

This was imposed on the residents and business owners within the area.. They are restricting entry and exit to a few control points. There is nothing legal about it.

 

Okay, now that the mayor of Seattle has conceded that that CHAZ is less a block party, and more a violent, destructive mess that the adults most now go in and clean up, I'll ask you one more time.

Whose version of the CHAZ debacle turned out to be more accurate? Fox's doctored version depicting violence and mayhem, or Mayor Durkan's description of CHAZ as "a block party" and "a simmer of love"?

Which of those two depictions turned out to be closer to reality?

And I'm not even kidding myself that you'll do anything here but more of your usual evasion tactics, because you just can't bring yourself to face the facts, can you?

 

In other words.....the EXPERIMENT was given a chance, and it failed! Anyone that supports the American Socialist agenda, "ain't sane"!!!

 

When they pull down our statues and spray graffiti all over our structures there is nothing legal about that.....but they tolerate it! Let them always see the results of what they have tolerated or it will not ever get better!!

 

Yes it is a "protest" however the fact they are allowed to carry it out in a destructive, illegal manner is a "Grand Experiment" performed by the Democrats that govern these Blue areas!

 

She does call for zero police for ever, prisons too.

She doesn't want different policing, she wants a different society:

"People like me who want to abolish prisons and police, however, have a vision of a different society, built on cooperation instead of individualism, on mutual aid instead of self-preservation."

That society would require a different sort of human, one we don't have and can't get. She doesn't have "good points" she has unrealistic fantasies.

 

The barricades were not erected by the protesters. They don't have the materials or the equipment for that.

It was always the case that civilians could enter and leave at will. There was certainly an effort to keep those with guns out of CHOP. Protesters wanted nothing to do with guns.

I agree that in general the protest slowed businesses in the immediate area.

 

The barriers are there. They would not be there without the "protesters". It restricted entry, otherwise why were barriers installed? And like you said it slowed business.

The people responsible should be charged and arrested.

 

The protest was not violent.

There were occassions when rioters showed up, but potesters were absolutely against that.

At present, the protest organizers have communicated to all in the area that people should not be present in the area except between 8am and 8pm.

They are talking to city political entities.

The mayor says that police will reenter the adjacent precinct during the night when protesters won't be there.

From there, the city will remove or reposition barracades that they had erected, increasing traffic flow.


Fox LIED. And, they did so on purpose. It was NOT a case of mistaken reporting - they FABRICATED a lie and promoted that lie.

 

It’s over. The experiment failed fast and violently, as we all knew it would

The adults are now going to take the blanket fort down, and clean up the mess.

 

I think you will find near the very end of the article that she talks about policing being present.

I agree that solutions that depend on changing our society are aspirational at best.

But, let's remember that police in the US shoot a phenomenal number of citizens in comparison with UK, Japan and a number of other countries. Also, we incarcerate a much larger percent of our population - and for far longer periods of time.

I'm not ready to believe that Americans are a different sort of human that needs to be shot much more often and locked up for longer.

 

No she doesn't. She despairs of the possibility of reform.

"When the streets calm and people suggest once again that we hire more black police officers or create more civilian review boards, I hope that we remember all the times those efforts have failed."

Be that as it may, you are simply mistaken that nobody is calling for the police to be abolished. Ms. Kaba is and states it quite plainly.

I don't know why you just don't acknowledge this simple fact.

 

Barriers were installed to block car traffic. They were not installed by protestors. They ddidn't block anything smaller than cars.

Let's remember that early on some right wing nut job sped into the crowds with his car and then opened fire. He hit some guy's arm and was subsequently subdued.

Let's remember that there are constitutional rights of speech and assembly.

Removing that through armed force is not something you should root for.