CDC admits to vast over count of deaths

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  1. jay runner

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    Yup.
     
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    As soon as November 4th rolls around...
     
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    Hunting mammoths with spears really reduced risk right? We survived because we were willing to take Calculated risks, and were better at calculating risk vs reward than other predators and way more inventive.
     
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    I guarantee that if every single person were tested and deaths and the severity of illness were data analyzed against this, it would prove my longstanding claim that this virus is a very weak one.
    But we in the west love our drama and if we don’t have anything serious to worry about, we create worry. Remember how we let Greta occupy our worry mat for so long?
     
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    How do you guarantee that?
     
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    Dude I'm the family shopper I don't go out we starve. I wear the damn mask not because I'm convinced it will keep from catching this crap, it wont, but it serves as an adequate shield against self righteous jackasses half of whom apparently haven't figured out that it cannot possibly do you or anyone else any good worn as a beard cozy or just below your nose.

    We are the only country public schools that haven't yet opened them back up. There is zero evidence to date that kids are terribly threatened by this disease or that the are spreaders of same. At this point keeping schools closed is not supported by the science. The death rate from covid in those under twenty is less than 15 in 60 million and all of those had serious comorbidities. It doesn't get significantly higher until some where around 50. Even after that you're more likely to survive than not. Especially now that we have effective treatments.
     
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    Well how was it reported before?
     
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    This is a British study but I think it can be extrapolated to children everywhere. They do indeed have a very tiny risk.
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-53932294
     
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    Nobody has ever denied that the risk of children suffering from Corona or even dying is very low. :)

    However, an infected child is just as much a "mother ship virus" which can infect everyone else as adults ... and mom, dad, grandma and grandpa at home have a higher risk to suffer than the child and can then easily be infected by their own child / grandchild. ;-)
     
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    I understand that of course but children still need to be educated and normally socialized.
    I just did some grocery shopping and just being in a closed environment and touching things is a risk as well.
    There is no way to be perfectly safe.
     
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    Because he or she hasn't contracted the virus or had a family member croak from it so all is well in that bubble.
     
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    Of course you are absolutely right that there is 100% security for nothing and nowhere and therefore not for COVID-19 risk of infection etc. either. You can only try to minimize risks as much as possible ;-)

    The mask requirement is also a big topic of discussion in my country - Germany. Germany is also a federal republic and school matters including the mask requirement are the responsibility of the 16 federal states. As a result, we do not have a really uniform regulation for all of Germany in the end, which is also a big topic of discussion.
    In my federal state there has been no mask requirement in schools since yesterday and the discussion is therefore hot and big.

    Interestingly, it is less about the general sense of a mask requirement, but about a certain stupidity of the politicians and decision-makers of the government of my state. Before the summer holidays there was a working regulation that was there:
    All classes were divided into 2 or 3 groups depending on the number of children per class. They then alternated between lessons at school and home schooling in changing every day or every second day etc. Due to the lower number of children in a classroom, distance rules could be adhered to without masking requirements during teaching in the classroom.

    Why the hell are these morons suddenly no longer able or unwilling to do this after the summer vacation further? it worked pleasing...

    First they made a total mask requirement decision after holiday, which of course hardly makes any sense if a child has to wear a mask constantly for 6 or more hours a day ... then they do a 180 ° turn and end the mask requirement totally in schools.
    Really ... Politicians are really a human species in their own who somehow often don't have much to do with logic and logical / meaningful thinking and problem solving.
     
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    I’m next door to you and no one seems to be worrying about this much anymore.
    France and parts of Spain are having an uptick but here the controlled exposure seems to have worked well.
    I think the uptick in France and Spain are the result of the people who were in total lockdown now being exposed and also due to increased testing.
     
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    Wrong. Asymptomatic spread is less than previously thought. The kids barely get it at all and are not significant vectors of the disease even when they do get it.
     
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    186,000 dead.

    The fact that you were a cancer survivor or have had heart issues does not mean that Covid didn't kill you.

    Covid KILLED those folks. Had they not caught it...almost all of them would be alive today

    Saying otherwise just means you are throwing people under the bus. They don't matter...

    Well they matter. To their families...to their friends...

    That's anyone over 50...anyone who has ever had a serious health issue...diabetes, cancer,heart issue, lupus, all survivable...unless you get Covid
     
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    That's horse crap and you can't document that
     
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    Only about six different studies from Europe and Asia say that.
     
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    Try naming one. I agree with Lesh, horse crap.
     
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    Which you are not posting...because they probably don't say what you claim or were put out by some nutjob horse doctor
     
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    Says who with what scientific proven reason?
     
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    Six different countries from around the world who have restarted schools and seen no uptick in Carona in that age group.
     
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    Sorry no evidence supporting that. And in this country grandma often doesn't live in the same state let alone the same house.
     
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    But we have. 1,000 in one university.

    Hundreds in Florida

    I guess Americans are more susceptible?

    Now...you were going to show us studies proving that children don't carry the virus.

    Have you found them yet?
     
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    And ... what does this say as result? NOTHING!

    It was undisputed that kids suffer far lesser from Corona as adult and as older an adult is, as more possible the adult will suffer.

    Is there any study about how much more parents, grandparents and other relatives of these kids suffer now from restart of schools without mask requirement?
     

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