10 reasons Trump will win

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  1. drluggit

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    Tax cuts are not financed. It is incumbent on the legislative body to reform the services to reflect the income stream. The idea that cuts are "financed" is laughable given the propensity of democrats to block any and all financial restrictions on their legislative creatures. This really is simple, and is likely the primary cause of so much of the liberal angst these days. So, stop with the national credit card already, and rebalance the services to reflect the income. For once, get this right.

    When you suggest that Trump is the issue vis a vis, WuFlu, you're conceding your own personal responsibility to an inevitability that you fear, but will likely not face. So why do you? As for your wish that I was dead, I suppose there are forum rules that suggest that is a no no... Perhaps you should take that up with moderation...

    I will eventually pass.. No one, in history has ever not succumbed. Do you suppose that you're immune from that? Perhaps instead of shivering in fear, get out more and enjoy the fact that you're still alive. If we cannot do that, why live?
     
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    1) How come that the GOP ALWAYS cuts taxes, but NEVER cuts spending (at least when they have the WH)? The reality is that the revenue shortfall from the tax cuts is financed by debt, no matter how much you want to say that's not the case.
    2) Maybe you'll reconsider your stance on covid if you have a loved one die or get seriously ill. Sometimes, people have to learn the hard way. Unfortunately, Trump, as usual, got lucky and learned nothing from his experience.
     
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    Spending is usually never cut because democrats either won't allow the conversation, or have tied future spending in a way that cannot otherwise be tuned. These aren't hard things to see. And if you ever do approach trying to cut spending, you get the typical democratic party histrionics that we've witnessed since Reagan was in office.

    I have had a loved one who has died. I feel the way I do. Get over it. Spare us your crocodilian tears. You've already suggested that I should die, and yet you're still here. Wonders, huh?
     
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    Where are the polls showing Trump winning? Or are you suggesting that the Democrats control ALL the pollsters? What about the people the Republicans use? Are they hiring Democrats to poll for them and then exasperating over the numbers they're getting that show Biden and the Democrats ahead?

    Surely, if you know about this, wouldn't you think that someone in the GOP might have come to the same conclusion and said "Lets hire different people to poll for us."

    Plus, Biden polling higher does not inherently equal a boost for him when it comes to election day. Trump being down is no doubt spurring his supporters to work even harder. Biden being up would logically have a bit of the opposite effect. Combined with his being kind of an unexciting candidate to begin with, the sense that he's definitely going to win mixed with that lack of enthusiasm might also hurt him. It seemed to be part of what hurt Hillary Clinton too.

    That too would have been thought of many times over by people paid to think for campaigns and political parties. And communicated to the people who are, in your narrative, controlling the pollsters themselves. If I was thinking about it, if this was a strategy, I'd they'd want Biden ahead...but only by a little. Enough to give hope and boost morale but small enough that potential voters still feel they need to get out and vote because it's close.

    I think, if we're talking about what is more likely, it would be that Republicans and Trump supporters are skewing the polls towards Biden. How many times have we heard in the last month about how this is just like in 2016 when Trump was down and Hillary was polling up? They actually have more to gain by trying to recreate that than Biden does by appearing to be up. Desperation moves people, and if they think Trump is on the ropes it might spur them to vote.

    It just seems like you've never even considered the possibility that Trump is not as supported as you hope. As the article said, Enthusiasm matters. It can take different forms though. Trump supporters show theirs by going to rallies. But if you're just someone who's most enthused about Trump getting voted out, you don't need to go to rallies. Biden isn't exciting, he isn't a spectacle like Trump. He's not something young and hip like Obama was either. If Trump were a more civil and mature candidate, he might not be able to inspire the type of enthusiasm to see him go that he does. But he's not, he's Trump. He has a singular power to enrage millions of people, in no small part because he in turn feeds on it.

    Don't underestimate that rage. That disgust. That feeling of loathing that a man like Trump inspires. And that's all before you factor in the less emotional, more objective reasons to want him gone.
     
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    Here's a good reason not to vote for Biden...

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    Perhaps another reason...
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    I see you've had some time to self reflect.

    Good job!
     
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    It's like a snowball..

    https://pjmedia.com/news-and-politi...unter-biden-to-human-trafficking-ring-n959766

    There is extensive public reporting concerning Hunter Biden’s alleged involvement with prostitution services. Records on file with the Committees do not directly confirm or refute these individual reports. However, they do confirm that Hunter Biden sent thousands of dollars to individuals who have either: 1) been involved in transactions consistent with possible human trafficking; 2) an association with the adult entertainment industry; or 3) potential association with prostitution. Some recipients of those funds are Ukrainian and Russian citizens. The records note that it is a documented fact that Hunter Biden has sent funds to nonresident alien women in the United States who are citizens of Russia and Ukraine and who have subsequently wired funds they have received from Hunter Biden to individuals located in Russia and Ukraine. The records also note that some of these transactions are linked to what “appears to be an Eastern European prostitution or human trafficking ring.”
     
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    The GOP had ALL branches of government for the first two years of Trump. the "but Dems" deflection won't fly. This is all on your side.

    Where did I suggest that you should die? Take back that very serious accusation.
     
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    Just more, because... well, there's more...

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    Kerik is just another criminal pardoned by Trump? How did he get to personally review the hard drive? Inquiring minds would like to know.
     
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    Really? Tell us about what cloture is, and why democrats are now actively demanding that if they have the senate that they will get rid of it. Dare you.
     
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    Yup.

    Trump is headed to 50-state sweep (with 95% in DC). Sure thing.
     
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    Really... how far are you willing to carry water for China?
     
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    The swamp controls the pollsters, fake news media which have pulled all the stops and dropped any semblance of objectivity to defeat Trump hires the pollsters and pays their salaries.

    They don't pay millions to pollsters to report correct polling numbers (assuming it's even possible), they pay millions to pollsters to have them support their (anti-Trump) agenda and report numbers skewed as badly as they themselves skew their fake news.
     
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    Question: How did they push through the tax cuts without the Dems?
     
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    Ask what Kamala toe last filibustered, and this time, it was in public, and no knee pads.
     
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    It's not about refuting, it's about the conclusions from the facts. Del Beccaro is a GOP operative, so his conclusions will support his party. If you look at a bit different, you see his conclusions are just his opinions. Logic doesn't follow. Watch.

    The voter registration claims don't matter much. People register for a party, but don't vote for their party. Indeed, isn't it you guys who talk up the facts/data on Obama voters going for Trump in Pennsylvania and Florida? You do. So the question isn't how many voters can you register for your party, but rather, are they going to vote and if so, who will they vote for? Voters cross party lines all the time, sorry to break that reality to you. That covers the first two.

    The next two, Latinos and Blacks for Trump, is also misleading. For a party that doesn't believe polls, they sure do when they say what they want to hear. But in the above two points when talking up how much states matter, your boy completely forgets it with these two points. Michigan isn't the same state as say Florida. The people who are Latino and black in Michigan haven't different politics. As such, you can't take a broad stroke and apply it evenly. We see this with white college graduates. In the Northeast, they go for Biden big. In the south, much less so as Trump has more of their support. So there's that.

    Biden will increase taxes, but the people he's increasing taxes on are ones that the majority of Americans agree should pay more. That's not necessarily a losing argument. After all, Trump claimed he would tax rich investors...and then didn't. But it was popular with you and his base when he said it. Funny.

    Early voting means nothing. People are likely voting early in more numbers to spread out and not catch Covid. Neither party can say they are winning because more people are voting early.

    How satisfied Americans are and giving that credit to Trump isn't guaranteed. In fact, many in that 56% may ascribe that satisfaction to other things than Trump and it may not be a factor. The better question is how many think they are better off BECAUSE of Trump? That's the data you need.

    Party identification doesn't equal votes. If it did, Hillary Clinton would be president.

    Voters may think Trump will win, heck, I'm certain this is a fifty fifty race. That doesn't mean Trump will win.

    You see, none of these things are conclusive. No one knows who will win until the election. It may feel good to read this if you support Trump, but I can find a hundred like it saying the opposite.

    Polls and all this data are just predictors or probability. Nothing more. Any of the points made in the article can be balanced with reality as I did. I'm sure others can find examples I missed.
     
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    Oh come on, we've heard the Donald J. Dangerfield routine for the last four years. Can't get no respect he can't.

    Although recently he's been trying out a new character. Donald J. Votebegger.

    "Please suburban women, pretty please like me. Why don't you like me? I just don't get it. Like me already"

    "If I lose this election *sniffle* I might just have to *sniffle* leave the country. Don't let that *sniffle* happen to me. *cry-snot*
     
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    I will walk through quicksand, automobile crashes, BLM, murder hornets, Antifa, protests, rioting, looting, COVID, the plague and the fires of hell to vote. And nothing short of God himself stopping me will keep me from showing up at the polls Nov 3.
     
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    We also have a true 5-4 conservative SCOTUS
     
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    Tax cuts do not need to be financed; spending does. Downplaying Covid turned out to be better than blowing it out of proportion. I didn't vote for Trump and already sent in my vote for Jo this election, but based purely on results, Trump is the lesser of evils. Those that need the government to tell them how to avoid a virus are far more dangerous to their family IMO.
     
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    I agree.
    With polls showing Biden leading by over 10% I quietly hope a lot of progs will stay home on Election Day.

    In a way, it’s good that everyone thinks republicans will lose.
     
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    1 Allow me to explain to you why he will not win. By a factor of 2 to 1, the electorate feels the country is going in the wrong direction.

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    2. Surge of new voters in swing states, to the tune of 2 million, which favors Biden.

    3. Trump's mismanagement of coronavirus has alienated seniors.
    https://www.nationaljournal.com/s/706226/trumps-crisis-mismanagement-alienating-seniors

    4. The numbers don't favor him, though the numbers could be wrong, but they've always favored Biden, across all polls, this tends to prove that, though the actual numbers are wrong, but he is ahead of Trump.
    a) Comey, in the last week of her campaign, announced she was being investigated, and when he came out a few days before Nov 3 and said 'there's nothing there' most had voted by then. Note that Trump only won by 77,000 votes in three key states, all of which Hillary did not campaign in. This scenario is not being repeated with Trump.

    5. Trump will have to win every state he won before, he cannot lose any states, except, perhaps, the very small states. If he loses Texas or Florida, he cannot win. If he loses Michigan, Wisconsin, or Pennsylvania, he cannot win. He'll probably hang on to Ohio.

    6. Hillary is not running, neither is Hunter Biden. Trump's own nepotism cancels out whatever issues republicans have over Hunter Biden unjustly being hired on the board of Burisma. Heck, Trump's children are ON TRUMP's staff, this is not the case with Biden.

    7. Unlike 2016, the electorate had only known from The Apprentice, and he was fairly popular, his unseemly and reckless, bigoted, xenophobic, misogynistic, authoritarian tendencies weren't widely know. He's got as much baggage now, if not more, than Hillary had when she ran. Trump's baggage makes Hillary's emails seem minor, by comparison.

    8. The electorate hadn't been aware of the vast number of Russian fake ads on facebook, but now they are aware of it, mindful of it.

    9. Trump blew it on the first debate, driving home just who this man is, a boorish, vile, bully. Now if it was marginally known before, it's especially driven home now.

    10. White women, especially educated white women, who Trump won in 2016, are increasingly alienated by Trump, and he is losing this group.

    11. Trump's corruption is alienating moderate conservatives, he is losing some moderates to Biden.

    12. But, the big reason Trump will lose is that the electorate is just plain sick of him, there is a growing sense of Trump fatigue out there. Many realize now they were deceived.
     
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    I am convinced that President Trump will win but........
    I do like the idea of taking out an insurance policy.....



    Should Tulsi Gabbard and Andrew Yang begin a whole new party?








     
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