Kasparov on Trump

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    He did respond. He allowed states to do their job as is correct.
    So pandemics like this are routine? Hmmmm.
    Yep. One reason I didn’t vote for him. His restraint in not acting authoritarian when he could have and his reversal of authoritarian policy in existence when he took office gets my thanks.
    No. I’m quite aware of what authoritarianism and dictatorial powers are. I oppose both based on principle, not based on who is doing the dictating. That’s what sets me apart from progressives more than anything. Ya’ll can’t see authoritarianism most times and if you do, and it’s your guy, you don’t care.
     
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    1) Failure is wrong. Unless you are addicted to failure as well as excuses.

    2) So not the point.. Trump is trying to do what wannabe dictators did before they became dictators.

    3) Restraint is not a word I have ever seen used to describe him, and I am sure I won't see it again.

    4) Shortly after Trump was elected, the Russian historian of tyrants wrote "Surviving Autocracy" about how to get through the Trump presidency:

    "I have lived in autocracies most of my life, and have spent much of my career writing about Vladimir Putin’s Russia. I have learned a few rules for surviving in an autocracy and salvaging your sanity and self-respect. It might be worth considering them now:

    Rule #1: Believe the autocrat. He means what he says. Whenever you find yourself thinking, or hear others claiming, that he is exaggerating, that is our innate tendency to reach for a rationalization.

    Rule #3: Institutions will not save you. It took Putin a year to take over the Russian media and four years to dismantle its electoral system; the judiciary collapsed unnoticed.

    Rule #4: Be outraged. If you follow Rule #1 and believe what the autocrat-elect is saying, you will not be surprised. But in the face of the impulse to normalize, it is essential to maintain one’s capacity for shock.

    Rule #6: Remember the future. Nothing lasts forever. Donald Trump certainly will not, and Trumpism, to the extent that it is centered on Trump’s persona, will not either. Failure to imagine the future may have lost the Democrats this election. They offered no vision of the future to counterbalance Trump’s all-too-familiar white-populist vision of an imaginary past."

    https://www.nybooks.com/daily/2016/11/10/trump-election-autocracy-rules-for-survival/
     
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    Tweeting "Checkmate" to him would be the funniest thing Trump has ever done.
     
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    Donny and Hilly could share a room in prison perhaps ? .. now would that not be the ultimate punishment for both of them...
    Imagining the two shagging does bring a grin does it not :)
     
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    Not.
     
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    The same as his - nothing related to the subject.
     
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    No. Same as Kasparov.
     
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    Kasparov was talking about Russia.
     
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    And?
     
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    The Constitution is a document that tells us how to oversee and coordinate the government, not an excuse for failing to do so.
     
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    One major thing the Federal government is supposed to do is coordinate the States efforts so they don't conflict with each other. In the early months of the pandemic, the states were all competing with each other to buy PPE from foreign suppliers. Besides criticize and even block some of these efforts Trump's Feds did NOTHING to keep states from getting into bidding wars and driving the price up for everyone.

    In my own home State of MD the Feds actually confiscated PPE that MD had bought. Gov Hogan had to actually place some shipments under guard to keep Trump from seizing them, probably so the MyPillow Guy could sell them on the open market
     
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    Then why won't he publicly commit to it?
     
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    This is an anonymous discussion board. We are all naked here as far as our education, accomplishments etc. Nobody cares who you really are. Whatever we say here stands or falls on its own or whatever we cite with it.

    Kasparov is not anonymous. We are citing him from his writings, he is not known to be a member here He is possibly the greatest chess player that has ever lived according to international competitions which qualifies him as an expert in politics in my estimation or that of just about anyone I know.
     
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    How does skill at chess equate to expertise in politics?
     
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    I’m sorry your governor was a failure. Your propensity for making excuses for your state by blaming Trump is noted. Hopefully you will learn your lesson and elect a better state government that is willing and able to fulfill their duties. If not, hopefully you will take personal responsibility for your safety and comfort during a pandemic so you don’t have to blame everyone but yourself next time.
    No. Dictators typically need economic crises to gain power. One example is Hitler. Government policies such as free education and healthcare, special treatment of government employees, bailing out failed state governments, and regulation of business by government guaranteed eventual economic collapse and created circumstances allowing Hitler to take power. Who is advocating for such policies today? Trump?

    Dictators almost always disarm citizens leading up to seizing power. Who has this as their agenda? Trump?

    Dictators implement policy leading to centralized control of countries. Trump has been clear that states must retain the powers granted them by the constitution. Even during the pandemic when other countries around the world centralized control, Trump specifically encourages states to do what’s best for their citizens. Read the re-opening guidelines he put out. Those are not indicative of someone wanting sole power. Contrast this with actions taken in other democracies including the UK.
    You probably won’t because your sources of information are what you cite in point 4 below. How can you base your beliefs on clowns that use words they don’t know the meaning of? Trump has shown great restraint in following the constitution during this pandemic. He has decreased federal controls of business. He has removed mandates such as the mandate to buy health insurance under ACA. The actions he takes are antithetical to dictatorial ambitions.
    Masha Gessen has never lived in an autocracy. Even if you consider Putin’s first term autocratic that’s only eight years of they’s life. Not the majority. They has lived in the US for years 22 years of life. In the USSR for 14 years. Under non autocratic Yeltsin/Medvediv for 12 years. Possibly under autocratic Putin eight years. “They” doesn’t know what an autocracy is. That disqualifies any of the above quotes as being relevant. Nice try though. Next time quote someone who knows what autocracy is and isn’t.

    Yeh, Masha doesn’t like Putin for very personal reasons. I don’t like him either. But disliking Putin doesn’t make Trump’s administration autocratic. LOL
     
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    It limits powers of the federal government. Allowing and encouraging states to make their own decisions is not a failure.
     
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    . Preventing them from doing so certainly is.
     
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    Can you cite the section of the Constitution that states the Federal Government is supposed to do what you claim. Be specific.
     
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    Hmmm .. If not with laughter - how then would you react upon finding out that Dirty Donald and crooked Hillary had hooked up and were doing the nasty - Hillary making "The Face" :)
     
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    So you saying you have a vagina makes you special

    ( Btw I really like you, posting and all)
     
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    Don would just get another hooker.
     
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    Donnie is in Prison and Hilly is the only one available - would you not like to see good Ol Hilly make "The Face" and what a trooper - taking one for the team.
     
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    1) Hell yes, the Beast was a disaster. The gal we have now is pretty good.

    2) Maine is doing a good job with the virus. Btw, the countries that got control of the virus had national plans.

    3) It'd be great if you stopped making sh*t up.

    4) Sure, but we are in an economic crisis now, and it's about to get worse.

    5) That's not what happened to Germany before Hitler. You are writing fiction again.

    6) He's not a dictator, at least not yet.

    7) He didn't work a national response because he's incompetent.

    8) This is settled law. A strong national response to a pandemic is appropriate. More fiction.

    9) According to your own numbers, she got to watch Putin become a dictator.

    That was an egregious waste of time. Could you be a little less ridiculous.
     
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    I wish I had known kasparovs opinion sooner , but unfortunately i've already voted.

    Dammit
     
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    Good.
    I’m glad Maine is successful. Would you have preferred Trump dictate policy to Maine that made it less successful? He’s an idiot, remember? Why do you want an idiot planning for the whole country?
    I’m not making anything up. States have control of how the virus plays out in their state. If your state did well, why complain? If it did poorly, blame them state government.
    So who’s more likely to become a dictator? Trump or someone else who actually advocates for policies that lead to economic collapse?
    Of course that’s what happened. In 1929 Germany was spending 5 times the amount per capita on social programs as it did in 1913. At one point total government spending on social programs was 90% of the budget. State run business we’re losing money hand over fist. Huge amounts of money were spent on free college and health insurance. Look it up. :)
    My ability to own firearms guarantees neither he nor anyone else will be a dictator. Who wants me disarmed? Trump or Biden?
    No. He didn’t because it isn’t his job. Go read the reopening guidelines like I suggested.
    That doesn’t address my post. It doesn’t matter what you deem appropriate. The states retain rights whether there is a pandemic or not. You can cite the section of the constitution that allows violations of state and individual rights in a pandemic. Go!
    My numbers show they is a fraud and a liar. Her claims are outright false as I demonstrated. But you don’t care. LOL
    Your inability to refute my posts with facts or intellectual argument does not make my content ridiculous. Your lack of knowledge of history doesn’t make my content ridiculous. Your ideas on autocracy coming from someone who doesn’t know the meaning of the word doesn’t make my posts ridiculous.
     
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